Jesus’ Sabbath’s Resurrection and Seventh-day Adventism
Question
"Most other Sabbath keepers or Sabbatarians such as Church of God Seventh
Day
and Seventh Day Baptist teach a Wednesday (high Sabbath) crucifixion and
Sabbath
evening resurrection (literal 3 days and 3 nights in grave). Is your belief in
a
Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection unchanged because SDAs believe
it
conflicts with the writings of Ellen G. White? I've also noticed that many, not
all, Sunday keeping denominations believe the "Lord's Day" in
Revelation 1:10 to
be Sunday and SDAs believe it is Saturday. But again, most other Sabbatarians
believe the term "Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 is referring to the
Great Day
of the LORD or The Day of the LORD referenced throughout the Bible's old and
new
testaments and especially the book of Joel, which is actually an event of God's
wrath in the last days and not pertaining to any day of the week. Could SDAs
possibly be misunderstanding these 2 points of doctrine and has there been a
reconsideration in the churche's position or doctrine over the years?"
Answer by Nabors Charlotte
What is the LORD’s Day as mentioned in Revelation 1:10? Although this has
been applied by the Church Fathers to represent Sunday from the latter part of
the 2nd century , there is no conclusive evidence that this meaning applies to
what John was writing around 90-94 a.d. John is writing about a
past/present experience by using the verb, “was”. “I was in the Spirit on
the LORD’s Day. It is a present tense usage. It is only used in
this context one time in the New Testament. However, there are other
references that indicate John was speaking about receiving these visions on the
Sabbath, the 7th day of the week. Beginning with Geneses 2:3 “Then God
blessed the seventh day and sanctified it because in it He rested from all His
work which God had created and made.” God is here declaring a special day
that is not a part of the work of creating but of a crowning act, of a
special day that distinguishes it from the other six days. God blessed
the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His
creative work and ownership.
In Exodus 20:11 He plainly outlines Genesis 2:3 by reinforcing “REMEMBER to
keep it holy, don’t work on the seventh day but rest on this day. He
declared this to be the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In Revelation 14:6
the first angel makes reference to this particular commandment.
Isaiah 58:13 God states plainly that the Sabbath is MY holy day and we are to
call the holy day of the LORD honorable
Mark 2:28 Jesus declares Himself to be the LORD of the Sabbath. In
the same sense that He is LORD of men, He was also LORD over that which was
made for man, the Sabbath. Thus, when the phrase “LORD’s Day” is
interpreted in accordance with evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s
time, it appears that there is only one day to which it can refer, and that is
the seventh-day Sabbath SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 736
When was Christ crucified? The following are the texts that describe
which day Christ was nailed to the cross and died.
Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief
priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate 4091,
Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that
is, the day before the Sabbath 4315,
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on..
Jhn 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour:
and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King 935!
Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies
should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was
an high day,) besought 2065 Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that]
they might be taken away.
Jhn 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews preparation
[day]; for 3754 the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Mark, Luke and John wouldn’t be lying to us. You will notice that in John
19:31, the “high-day” was on the seventh day Sabbath – not on a Wednesday.
God instructed us about Sabbath time being from sundown on Friday to sundown on
Saturday. In Genesis 1, we find the created time from evening to evening.
Man designed midnight to midnight but the scriptures are very clear about
a 24 hour period from evening to evening. Lev 23:32 tells us “from even
to even shall ye celebrate your Sabbaths. That is why it was so important
that the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death.
With the legs broken, they body would sag and they would suffocate due to
compression of the lungs. Jesus had already surrendered His life and so
His legs were not broken, which was a fulfilment of an ancient prophecy that
none of His bones would be broken.
Resurrection: Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath as the first day of the
week began to dawn…
Mark 16:1,2 Now when the Sabbath was past,…(2)Very early in the morning on the
first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen…
Luke24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning…But they
found the stone rolled away from the tomb…and did not find the body of the LORD
Jesus…
John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week…while it was still dark and saw that
the stone had been taken away from the tomb (the tomb was empty).
The whole ordeal began on Thursday night after the last supper with His
disciples.and ended with the resurrection on Sunday morning before dawn.
The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on Thursday night and trials
between the religious leadership and Roman governor continued all during that
time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and
about 3 p.m. he died. Was taken down from the cross before sundown on
Friday and in the grave but no time to embalm Him because the sun was about to
set. Jesus was in the grave from sundown Friday to early Sunday morning
when He arose to continue working for our salvation. He was in the
“valley of the shadow of death for three nights and three days. Jesus had
no sleep, no rest from Thursday night until He surrendered His life on Friday
just before sundown. He was in the clutches of Satan for three days and
three nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and
three nights. Christ was captured on Thursday night and was released on Sunday
morning. There isn’t any reference in prophecy indicating that Christ was
physically dead and in a tomb for three days and three nights. That’s an
assumption but is not biblically correct. I hope this explanation
helps clarify this for you. Again, check with the other websites that I
gave you at the beginning to see if what I have said is correct.
E. G. White comments: Our church’s doctrines are not based on nor did
they come from the writings of Sr. White but on biblical truth. She was
very clear that her writings were not to take the place of scripture nor were
they to be held equal to the scriptures. She always referred to her
ministry as a “lesser light” pointing to the greater Light of the World. She
also was very clear that her writings were never to be made a test of
fellowship nor were we to prove our doctrines by using her writings. She
always said to compare scripture with scripture, line upon line, here a little
and there a little, precept upon precept. Isaiah.28:10,13; 29:13
Test each idea or thought with the scriptures and let the scriptures
speak and explain itself. We must be able to stand on the Word of
God to defend our faith. We were to defend our doctrines with scriptures
only. Those who try to use her writings to defend our doctrines are
misusing and abusing her work causing much confusion for those who are
searching for and have a love of the truth. She also said that those who
are spiritually weak will misuse her words to support their pet causes.
There were several Advent leaders that were given visions and
understanding of the teachings of our church regarding the judgment message,
the importance of the sanctuary system to the plan of salvation.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Seventh-Day-Adventists-2318/Sun-Sat-resurrection-Lord-4.htm#b
Jesus’ Sabbath’s Resurrection and Seventh-day Adventism
Nabors Charlotte
answered by Gerhard Ebersöhn
Question
"Most
other Sabbath keepers or Sabbatarians such as Church of God Seventh Day
and Seventh Day Baptist teach a Wednesday (high Sabbath) crucifixion and
Sabbath
evening resurrection (literal 3 days and 3 nights in grave). Is your belief in
a
Friday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection unchanged because SDAs believe
it
conflicts with the writings of Ellen G. White? I've also noticed that many, not
all, Sunday keeping denominations believe the "Lord's Day" in
Revelation 1:10 to
be Sunday and SDAs believe it is Saturday. But again, most other Sabbatarians
believe the term "Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 is referring to the
Great Day
of the LORD or The Day of the LORD referenced throughout the Bible's old and
new
testaments and especially the book of Joel, which is actually an event of God's
wrath in the last days and not pertaining to any day of the week. Could SDAs
possibly be misunderstanding these 2 points of doctrine and has there been a
reconsideration in the church's position or doctrine over the years?"
Charlotte Nabors:
“What is the LORD’s Day as mentioned in
Revelation 1:10? Although this has been applied by the Church Fathers to
represent Sunday from the latter part of the 2nd century , there is no
conclusive evidence that this meaning applies to what John was writing around
90-94 a.d. John is writing about a past/present experience by using the
verb, “was”. “I was in the Spirit on the LORD’s Day. It is a
present tense usage. It is only used in this context one time in the New
Testament. However, there are other references that indicate John was
speaking about receiving these visions on the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.
Beginning with Geneses 2:3 “Then God blessed the seventh day and
sanctified it because in it He rested from all His work which God had created
and made.” God is here declaring a special day that is not a part of the
work of creating but of a crowning act, of a special day that
distinguishes it from the other six days. God blessed the seventh day, He
sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His creative work and
ownership.”
GE:
Re: “God is here
declaring a special day that is not a part of the work of creating but of a
crowning act, of a special day that distinguishes it from the other six
days. God blessed the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as
a memorial of His creative work and ownership.”
I have never read that God blessed “the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week”, that He sanctified it, and
made it holy, “as a memorial of His
creative work and ownership”. On the
contrary, as CN has said, “God is here
declaring a special day that is not a part of the work of creating but of a
crowning act”, Therefore it is not “a special day that distinguishes it[self] from the other six days”, nor, is it “the work of creating”, “that distinguishes it [this “special day”] from the other six days”; it is God’s “crowning act”, “that is not a
part of the work of creating”, “that
distinguishes it [this “special day”] from the other six days”.
It is a pity CN lost the reality she momentarily have hit
upon, but let go of because of her SDA-doctrinal predisposition the Sabbath is
“a memorial of (God’s) creative work and
ownership” and not of God’s “crowning
act”, “that is not a part of the work
of creating”.
The true question is: Of which, and of what “crowning act” of God, is the Sabbath Day
– the Seventh Day – “a memorial of”? Is it a “memorial”
of the “creative work” of God, or of
God’s “crowning act” of “ownership”?
This question should be taken further to the question of
what, God’s “crowning act” of “ownership” actually and in the last
analysis, is? Is it God’s “work of creating”? Obviously, no. Is God’s “crowning
act” of “ownership” the Sabbath
as such? No! Or does Charlotte Nabors think it is?
Then what is, God’s “crowning
act” of “ownership”? It is written – very simply – this, “And
on the Seventh Day God ended his work which He had made; and He rested on the
Seventh day from all his work which He had made; and God blessed the Seventh
Day and sanctified it: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORKS
which He had made.” It is not what Charlotte
Nabors has stated as were it written, “God
blessed the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His
creative work and ownership.” Not at
all. It was not because of “His creative work”, but “Because that
in it (God) had RESTED”.
Then, this question should again be taken further, and it
should be asked, what is God’s Rest, or wherein does God – or had He –
rested? And again it is obvious, God did
not rest in or by “His creative work”,
but in and by having “ended”, and in and by having “rested” and
in and by having “blessed and sanctified the Seventh Day”.
Should this question stop here? Or should it be taken even
further, so that it must be asked, Did God rest in the Seventh Day; or, was,
the Seventh Day God’s Rest? Obviously
no, once again! No, God rested not in “His creative work” or in His “work of creating” – of which the Seventh
Day was part. God rested not in “His creative work” or in His “work of creating” not only because it is
a contradiction in terms, but absolutely because God found his Rest in, and
founded his Rest upon, Jesus Christ and the finishing of all his works in and
through Jesus Christ.
Still the question has not reached fullness, not until it is
answered through “the exceeding greatness of God’s power to us-ward who
believe according to the working of his mighty power which He wrought in Christ
WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.”
Only now can it truly be said, “And God from all his works, rested”,
Hb4:3-4.
Of course Seventh-day Adventism will for ever stubbornly
refuse this end and purpose according to God’s Eternal Covenantal Council for
having “made the Sabbath”.
CN:
“In Exodus 20:11 He
plainly outlines Genesis 2:3 by reinforcing “REMEMBER to keep it holy, don’t
work on the seventh day but rest on this day. He declared this to be the
Sabbath of the LORD your God.”
GE:
Yes, “In Exodus 20....
He plainly outlines Genesis 2....”
First, Is it
therefore deliberately that Charlotte Nabors refrains from mentioning also
Deuteronomy 5? What happened to “Genesis 2:3” and ‘outlines’, in
Deuteronomy 5? Plainly FORGOTTEN? Or
Divinely intended to be left behind forever?
Next, Why does
Seventh-day Adventism carefully omit to point to the fact the ‘creation-motive’
is omitted in the finally archaized Commandments? Because they hate the idea of the
creation-motive having been replaced by the SALVATION-MOTIVE, and the
SALVATION-MOTIVE in the Fourth Commandment having so been preserved for
posterity and not the ‘creation-motive’!
CN:
“In Revelation 14:6
the first angel makes reference to this particular commandment.”
GE:
Maybe so. Maybe not. But what is far more important in
Revelation 14, is the redemption-thread running throughout; redemption through
the Lamb so prominently featuring in that chapter. I have never seen a Seventh-day Adventist lifting
out that aspect. Why, is evident,
because they cannot stomach the thought the Resurrection and finished atonement
and Sabbath’s-fullness married by Jesus Christ.
CN:
“Isaiah 58:13 God
states plainly that the Sabbath is MY holy day and we are to call the holy day
of the LORD honorable”
GE:
“.... the holy day of the LORD HONOURABLE ....”
No Seventh-day Adventist yet has seen Christ in Isaiah 58.
They have yet to see the Holy Day of the Lord in it, Holy Day of and for its
Lord and his Lordship – Lord the Restorer of paths to dwell in and Lord the
Repairer of the breach caused by sin. Lord, through resurrection from the dead,
all through the chapter. See it any place, “Then shall thy light break forth
.... Thy light shall rise .... Thou shalt be like a spring of water .... Thou shalt
raise up the foundations of many generations ....” anywhere, in every word
and phrase. Chapter 58 sings the praises of the
Yes indeed, the Seventh-day Adventists like Charlotte Nabors
argue for “The Lord’s Day” being the Sabbath but they don’t know what they say
or why. Revelation 14 .... Isaiah 58
.... Mark 2:28 .... all the same.
CN:
“Mark 2:28 Jesus
declares Himself to be the LORD of the Sabbath. In the same sense that He
is LORD of men, He was also LORD over that which was made for man, the Sabbath.
Thus, when the phrase “LORD’s Day” is interpreted in accordance with
evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s time, it appears that there is
only one day to which it can refer, and that is the seventh-day Sabbath
SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 736”
GE:
What I have said is confirmed. They don’t know what they say
or why. Jesus declared Himself LORD of
the Sabbath, that is, Victor upon the
Sabbath Day’s victory. Having conquered “the last enemy
(which) is death”, Christ is “perfected” and “declared”
with Name and Title above all names and titles, “Lord” and “Son of
Man”, “Lord of the Sabbath Day”.
Having overcome and put everything under his feet, He is Lord Victor on, the Sabbath Day.
The Sabbath having been “made”, means, having been elevated,
having been “made for” and having been “set apart / appointed”, “sanctified
/ hallowed”, “FOR” Purpose and End: being “made for” this “Man”
“Son of Man”, first and before ‘for’ any other ‘man’ or ‘mankind’. That
is what it says that “the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath .... the Sabbath
(having been) made for Man”. It
shows towards both the “honourable Sabbath” and the Honourable Lord of the
Sabbath – ever first to the latter.
This Sabbath Day chosen, “appointed” and “hallowed”
at the Lord’s disposal and service, is chosen, appointed and hallowed at
disposal and service of the Lord’s Hosts, “The People of God”. It “was
made”, for “all
Both the Lord of the Sabbath, and the Lord’s Day, are
venerated for Christ’s Lordly qualification and efficaciousness, for Christ’s cause,
and virtue and achievement, for His Excellency;
because God through Christ, “wrought”; for Christ’s Lordly qualification and
efficaciousness. Because Christ these things all attained by God who “worked”
the creating and establishing “exceeding greatness of His Power to us-ward
who believe”. “To us-ward”, “for us”, “for The People of
God”, TO BRING TO REST: “Jesus .... who (Himself) having entered into
His Own Rest as God in His Own .... gave them rest .... therefore keeping of
the Sabbath Day stays valid for the People of God”.
Thus, when the phrase “Lord’s Day” is interpreted in
accordance with evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s time, it appears
that there is only one day to which it can refer, and that is the Seventh Day-Sabbath
of the Lord’s vanquishing sin, death and grave for the “Body of Christ’s Own”
to henceforth and forever “feast Sabbaths’ Feast .... eating and drinking”
of Christ, and for peace and “the Prince of Peace”, “the King”,
to enter into his Rest and Glory and “reign forever”.
Is it possible we could be speaking of the same ‘Sabbath’?
Although of the same ‘day’, I doubt if we are.
CN:
“When was Christ
crucified? The following are the texts that describe which day Christ was
nailed to the cross and died.
Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief
priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate”
GE:
It is at such moments that I feel I could blow my top! This remotely was NOT “which day Christ was nailed to the cross and died”! Are you blind?
CN:
“Mar 15:42 And now
when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before
the Sabbath”
GE:
PLEASE! READ ME WHERE YOU READ A WORD AFTER “now when the even was come ....” OF OR ABOUT
“which day”, OR OF OR ABOUT WHEN “Christ was nailed to the cross and died”! Are you blind? Where
do you read of the crucifixion between when Joseph appeared on the scene and
left from the scene? Then neither have
you read of the crucifixion between after sunset and afternoon of the Sixth Day
of the week (or “The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” (‘Friday’))!
CN:
“Luk 23:54 And that
day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on..”
GE:
The same! One word
... JUST ONE WORD! Are you blind?
CN:
“Jhn 19:14 And it was
the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto
the Jews, Behold your King”
GE:
Yes! Now you are referring to a text of Scripture that tells
of WHEN Jesus was “delivered to be crucified”; in other words, that
reads of and about “which day Christ was
nailed to the cross and died”! But
with the same closed eyes to WHERE THIS day had begun in
Mk14:12/17, Mt26:17/20, Lk22:7/14, Jn13:1,19,29-30
and WHERE THIS day had ended in
Mk15:37-41, Mt50-56, Lk45-49, Jn19:30,
BEFORE “Mar 15:42 And
now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day
before the Sabbath”.
CN:
“Jhn 19:31 The Jews
therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain
upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,)
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken
away.”
GE:
Blindness! Can’t you
SEE? Can’t you see you quote out of
context and therefore out of sequence and chronological, historical ORDER! John follows the exact historical, actual,
order of events and circumstances than Mark, Matthew and Luke – without one
hair’s width of deviation or difference.
You pull these verses like lucky-draw tickets from a hat. You are handling God’s Word
disrespectfully. Typical!
CN:
“Jhn 19:42 There laid
they Jesus therefore because of the Jews preparation [day]; for the sepulchre
was nigh at hand.”
GE:
“There because the tomb was ready, laid they Jesus
therefore because of / BY THE TIME of the Jews’ preparation(s for the
Sabbath).”
This Scripture is John’s parallel to Luke’s indicated ending in
23:54-56 of the day of Joseph’s undertaking to obtain, treat, and
eventually bury the body of Jesus “according to the custom / law of the Jews
to bury”, which was “according to the Scriptures” of the passover’s institution in this instance
because it was the interment of not anyone or of any sacrifice, but of “that
which remained” of “our Passover” and “Lamb of God”.
“John 19:42”
therefore is John’s following up on his own verses 31/38, which are his
parallel to Mark’s (and Matthew’s)
indicated beginning
in 15:42/27:57 of the day of Joseph’s undertaking to obtain, treat, and
eventually bury the body of Jesus “according to the custom / law of the Jews
to bury”, which was “according to the Scriptures” of the passover’s institution in this instance
because it was the interment of not anyone or of any sacrifice, but of “that
which remained” of “our Passover” and “Lamb of God”.
Seventh-day Adventists REFUSE to acknowledge this Divine
Predestination in the life, and death, and burial, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ— in these FOUR things consequently, consistently and consecutively FORE-ORDAINED
AND EXECUTED “ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES”. In a word, in these FOUR things “perfected” in and through Jesus
Christ in his Divine life and Divine suffering and Divine dying and Divine
death and Divine burial and Divine resurrection from the dead and death of sin
and hell “in and by the Divine Glory and Presence of the Father”.
CN:
“Mark, Luke and John
wouldn’t be lying to us.”
GE:
No, but the indiscriminate mongrelising of the Scriptures would be lying to us. For indeed the Seventh-day Adventists have
made one of their sterling dogma’s the drunkard’s “here a little, there a
little” pot-pourri Scripture-scramble.
CN:
“You will notice that
in John 19:31, the “high-day” was on the seventh day Sabbath – not on a
Wednesday.”
GE:
You will notice that in John 19:31, the “high-day”
was neither the Seventh Day Sabbath nor a Wednesday. You will notice that
John 19:31/38 unambiguously reads: “Therefore – since it was The Preparation
(beginning) – the Jews, so that the bodies may not (on that prospective day
having just begun) REMAIN BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS a great-day-sabbath-day,
asked Pilate .... Then AFTER THESE THINGS (of the Jews) Joseph asked ....”.
John 19:31 unambiguously reads: “.... it was The
Preparation .... BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS a great-day-sabbath-day ....”.
Which day was “that day”?
It was the very day Mark
recounted, on which, and, WHEN BEGINNING,
“Joseph .... went in to Pilate ....”, “that day”,
WHEN “indeed already having been evening since it was The Preparation WHICH
IS THE FORE-SABBATH”. (15:42)
Which day was “that day” and “a great-day-sabbath”? It was FRIDAY! Not “a Wednesday”;
not “the seventh day Sabbath”.
CN:
“God instructed us
about Sabbath time being from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday.
In Genesis 1, we find the created time from evening to evening. Man
designed midnight to midnight but the scriptures are very clear about a 24 hour
period from evening to evening. Lev 23:32 tells us “from even to even
shall ye celebrate your Sabbaths. That is why it was so important that
the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death.”
GE:
Charlotte Nabors fabricates her own reason “why it was so important that the men on the
cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death” ignoring the reason John gave. CN says
the reason was “God instructed us about
Sabbath time being from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday....” etc.
In other words, she says “it was so
important that the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their
death” because sunset and the Sabbath then, when the Jews requested, was
very close. Meantime John and Mark and
Matthew and Luke by implication, clearly say, that Friday had scarcely
begun! Meantime John and Mark and
Matthew and Luke by implication, clearly say, that “evening” had scarcely
begun, the “evening” AFTER SUNSET that as it were set that Sixth Day of the
week off its marks! John and Mark and
Matthew and Luke all give clear reason why, the Jews asked and Pilate gave
order that “the men on the cross have
their legs broken so as to hurry their death”, and why Joseph asked so as
to bury the body! The obvious,
unmistakable, indisputable: reason “why”! While John supplies ‘so important’ additional
detail “why” the Jews asked and
Pilate ordered “that the men on the cross
have their legs broken so as to hurry their death”, namely, “BECAUSE
that day was / would be a great-day-sabbath-day”, and “were the bodies
on the crosses (to) remain”, it for them would be worst embarrassment!
Why give your own explanation instead, CN? (I think the scholars would have called
yours, ‘eisegesis’, CN, had your expression not been theirs as well.
CN:
“Jesus had already
surrendered His life and so His legs were not broken, which was a fulfillment
of an ancient prophecy that none of His bones would be broken.”
GE:
Do you recall that “ancient
prophecy that none of His bones would be broken”? It was an instruction for THAT NIGHT in
which the passover sacrifice was EATEN and its remains the next day AFTER its
slaughter was burned to return it to the earth; a Prophetic Law that spoke of
Christ and how his body would be interred on the day (of Abib 15) after his
death (on Abib 14).
Even John’s quote from Zechariah comes from a prophecy from
THIS NIGHT that Yahweh passed through Egypt and a great cry went up for the
first born; but Yahweh passed over when looking up He saw the lamb’s blood on
the door-posts.
But the Seventh-day Adventists just like the rest of the
erring Church goes along in blatant disregard for the Scriptures, declaring
contrary all reason and fact of Scripture, that Joseph buried Jesus on the day
that He was killed. Because they are
ashamed to be shamed for Christ’s sake.
I have experienced my allegation, over and over again; I am
not accusing falsely.
CN:
“Resurrection:
Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to
dawn…
Mark 16:1,2 Now when the Sabbath was past,…(2)Very early in the morning on the
first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen…
Luke24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning…But they
found the stone rolled away from the tomb…and did not find the body of the LORD
Jesus…
John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week…while it was still dark and saw that
the stone had been taken away from the tomb (the tomb was empty).”
GE:
First:
Only Mt28:1 of all the above Scripture-references speaks
about when the Resurrection occurred; none of the others. None of the others
even speak of or imply the Resurrection in any way! Therefore, zero out of ten for the
above!
Next:
“Matt 28:1 Now after
the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn…” FALSE! Blasphemously, God-defying, FALSE!
Mt28:1, “Now late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon as the
First Day of the week began to approach ....” Compare the KJV and just about EVERY English
Translation before the twentieth century; then compare them with just about
every ‘translation’ of and since the twentieth century. ONE
Which side do you, side with, dear Observer?
Therefore, zero out of ten for your above reference to
Mt28:1,
CN:
“The whole ordeal
began on Thursday night after the last supper with His disciples, and ended
with the resurrection on Sunday morning before dawn.”
GE:
Impossible. You have been asked about “3 days and 3 nights”; how do you account for one night, and one day
of these “3 days and 3 nights”? How
do you account for the eschatological WHOLE of the “three days and three
nights” “three days”, “the third day” of which, Christ rose
from the dead? Impossible; you
can’t!
How do you account for the clear, stated, defined beginnings in the Gospels of and for
all three THESE nights and all three THESE days and all three these week-days
and all three these calendar-days?
Impossible, you, can, not!
How do you account for the middles of each of these days accounted in the Gospels? You, with your Friday-Crucifixion /
Sunday-Resurrection groundless nonsense, cannot!
How do you account for the endings of these Prophetic days accounted in the Gospels?
How do you account for the proceedings virtually hour by hour of these Prophetic days
accounted in the Gospels?
How? JUST IGNORE IT! That’s ‘how’.
Just ignore “according to the Scriptures”; Just ignore, “So
that shall be fulfilled the prophet ....”;
Just ignore “I come to do Thy Will, o LORD”; Just ignore: “They witness
of ME”. Just ignore, ignore, ignore. “It is written” is written in vain; the
Spirit of Prophecy says .... the servant
of the Lord saw .... Now a days, “The great prophet wrote ....”. Ag, you Seventh-day Adventists!
CN:
“The betrayal and
arrest in Gethsemane was on Thursday night and trials between the religious
leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am
Friday morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died.”
GE:
The betrayal is going on still this very hour. Because if “The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on
Thursday night and trials between the religious leadership and Roman governor
continued all during that time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus was being
nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died”, then (as Luke says) Joseph
only would “suddenly have turned up” after sunset ‘while evening
already’ on Friday night, and would have rolled the stone door into the grave’s
opening on Saturday ‘mid-afternoon as’ Sunday ‘was drawing on’, and Jesus would
have risen on Monday ‘mid-afternoon as’ Tuesday ‘was drawing on’. The betrayal is going on still this very hour
if “The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane
was on Thursday night and trials between the religious leadership and Roman
governor continued all during that time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus
was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died”, because then every
aspect of language and every truth of prophecy and every declaration of
Scripture must be made null and void to accommodate such satanic delusion.
NO! The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on the Fifth
Day in its evening beginning (Wednesday night) Mk14:12/17, Mt26:17/20,
Lk22:7/14, Jn13:1,19,29-30, 1Cor11:23; and the trials between the religious
leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am THURSDAY
morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. He died.
CN:
“(He) was taken down
from the cross before sundown....”
GE:
He was not; He was taken down from the cross long after
sunset, in fact, after Joseph and the Jews had had eaten their passover
supper (Jn18:28 x 19:31) and “after
these things” of the Jews’ asking Pilate before Joseph – which things all
happened after sunset “when already it had been evening” and “in the
night” – exactly as “in the night” with the first passover in
Egypt. All things already said but not
heeded by anyone ever.
CN:
“(He) was taken down
from the cross before sundown on Friday and in the grave but no time to embalm
Him because the sun was about to set” .... says who? Non sense and untrue. It is plainly
written: “Joseph .... took the body
of Jesus .... down and wrapped it in linen (in the night as John and Mark
wrote) and ....” next day still the same day “.... laid it in a
sepulchre .... and / while that day was The Preparation (Friday, ENDING) MID-AFTERNOON AS THE
SABBATH DREW ON. Following after in
procession, the women who came from
John perfectly agrees: “There because the tomb was ready,
laid they Jesus therefore because of / BY THE TIME of the Jews’ preparation(s
for the Sabbath)” with three full hours
left before the sun was to set.
So, He died “the ninth hour” (time-equivalent of “mid-afternoon
towards” and before sundown) and
“everybody madly rushed home” and left Him “forsaken by all” and
the crosses forlorn! Lk23:48.
“Then suddenly” and after sundown “when already it
had become evening (of) The Preparation (Friday–Thursday evening), “Joseph
came”, and he first but “after” the Jews “went in to Pilate”
to ask permission to take the body down from the cross, and what followed after
through all that night and next morning UNTIL on the Sixth Day (Friday) and the
“Sabbath nearing mid-afternoon” (“the ninth hour” or 3 p.m.) Joseph
had laid the body in the tomb and had closed its door with three full hours left before the sun was to set ..... “To embalm Him” (as CN said), “....
when they would go”, as Mark 16:1 says, after, “when the Sabbath (next day) was over”,
and after, “Mary Magdalene and
Mary of James and Salome had bought spices”, meaning, ‘to embalm Him’ on Sunday
morning first thing after midnight (by the Romans’ time-reckoning of the
day).
Those are the bare facts the ‘expert’ has no inkling of.
CN:
“Jesus was in the
grave from sundown Friday to early Sunday morning when He arose....”
GE:
As everybody has seen saying which, is not true.
CN:
“Jesus was in the
grave from sundown Friday to early Sunday morning when He arose to continue
working for our salvation.”
GE:
For anyone who may not know, the Seventh-day Adventist
meaning of saying, “when He arose to
continue working for our salvation” actually is saying He arose to make
atonement of sins which He before or through or on strength of either his
suffering or death or resurrection, had not done yet.
CN:
“He was in the “valley
of the shadow of death for three nights and three days.”
GE:
For the first time CN is talking sense; now she should just
reconcile it with the rest of what shy has said.
CN:
“He was in the “valley
of the shadow of death for three nights and three days. Jesus had no
sleep, no rest from Thursday night until He surrendered His life on Friday just
before sundown. He was in the clutches of Satan for three days and three
nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three
nights. Christ was captured on Thursday night and was released on Sunday
morning.”
GE:
I am just wondering how such truth and such untruth can
proceed from the same person’s mouth .... and heart, obviously?
If He was in the
“valley of the shadow of death for three nights and three days” ....
absolutely true .... and had no sleep, no
rest from Thursday night until He surrendered His life on Friday just before
sundown, HOW COULD HE HAVE BEEN “in
the clutches of Satan for three days and three nights just as Jonah was in the
belly of the whale for three days and three nights” WHICH IS ALSO
ABSOLUTELY TRUE!? Because it is true, if
“Christ was captured on Thursday night
and was released on Sunday morning”, Thursday night and Friday day would
add up to one day of one night and one day; and Friday night and Saturday day
would add up to another night and another day, adding up to two days; and
Saturday night and Sunday morning would add up another one day and one night,
adding up to a third day, altogether adding up to three days as well as three days
and three nights. Ja, perfect arithmetic;
but perfect affectedness because the denial and corruption of the principle, “according
to the Scriptures the third day” of the “three days and three nights”-“three
days” prophetic passover-unit.
“The Word of God” literally is “divided” and dissected and
dismembered and mongrelised scandalously and disrespectfully, purely because
Mrs E.G. White is made the source of and appeal to all truth.
This scandalising of these Scriptures lies,
First, in the fusion of the days of crucifixion and burial
into one of both the Crucifixion and Burial, confusing Mk15:42 and Lk23:56b;
Two, in the
corrupting of
1) Mt28:1, “In the
Sabbath towards the First Day”, into, “after
the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn…”;
2) “John 20:1 Now on the first day of the
week…while it was still dark”;
3) “Jhn 19:31 .... for that sabbath day was an high day ....”
4) “Jhn 19:42 .... because of the Jews
preparation [day] ....”
5) “Mark 16:1,2 Now when the Sabbath was past,…(2)Very early in the morning on the
first day of the week, they came to
the tomb when the sun had risen…”
6) Mark 16:9, the notoriously
by Mrs E.G. White in quote avoided Scripture but always by Seventh-day
Adventists presupposed with the usual pretence of a Sunday-resurrection.
In fact the scandalising of the Scriptures in this plea for
a Sunday-resurrection lies in the corrupting somehow or other of every
Scripture touched upon however directly, accidentally or side-ways.
The overall pattern of the modus operandi of the
anti-Sabbath-Resurrectionists is always the same whether Sundaydarian or
Sabbatharian. In order to move the
Resurrection one day forward — from the Sabbath, onto Sunday — ....
Step one: Bring
Thursday (Abib 14) one day forward by merging the first day, day of crucifixion
(Thursday), and the second day, day of interment, into one day: day of
crucifixion AND interment (‘Good Friday’),
and let the day wholly devoted to the interment (Abib 15) vanish, simply.
Step two: Magically
move the vacuum left by the disappearance of the day of the Burial (the second
of the “three days”) one day forward to create the illusion or delusion of ‘Still Saturday’ (Abib 16).
Step three:
A: Corrupt
time-indications in all incidences and in every implication of ....
1) the Sabbath-Resurrection, 2) the Sunday night before-sunrise-visits at the empty tomb, and 3) the Sunday after-sunrise-appearances;
B: Corrupt
time-indications in all incidences and in every implication of ....
1) the Preparation-great-day-sabbath Interment, 2) the
Preparation of the Passover Crucifixion, 3) all “six days before Passover
Feast”—
and find in these simple steps the lewd chemistry of Sunday
worshipping and Sabbath desecrating — with at it Seventh-day Adventism as efficient
as any Sunday worshipper might wish.
CN:
“There isn’t any
reference in prophecy indicating that Christ was physically dead and in a tomb
for three days and three nights. That’s an assumption but is not biblically
correct.”
GE:
That is true. It’s old and well known knowledge it “is not biblically correct”. Still it
doesn’t help a Friday-crucifixion or Sunday-resurrection to be ‘biblically correct’. Proving what is wrong is wrong isn’t proving
what is also wrong is right. ‘Two wrongs
don’t make one right.’
CN:
“I hope this
explanation helps clarify this for you. Again, check with the other
websites that I gave you at the beginning to see if what I have said is
correct.”
GE:
I would recommend you leave those websites and check with
the Bible if what you have said is correct.
CN:
“E. G. White comments:
Our church’s doctrines are not based on nor did they come from the
writings of Sr. White but on biblical truth.”
GE:
It’s entirely untrue, and this study is one proof it’s not
true what CN claims. You SDAs cannot open your mouth on ANY doctrine of
Christian confession, or you must distort the truth somehow or other.
CN:
“She was very clear
that her writings were not to take the place of scripture nor were they to be
held equal to the scriptures. She always referred to her ministry as a
“lesser light” pointing to the greater Light of the World.”
GE:
For what would anyone in his senses light a lesser light to
see the sun? But I admit, one could and
should learn from every other, even while he erred.
CN:
“She always said to
compare scripture with scripture, line upon line, here a little and there a
little, precept upon precept. Isaiah.28:10,13; 29:13”
GE:
Yes, and isn’t this one beautiful example of how Mrs E.G.
White and the Seventh-day Adventists do injustice to the Scriptures!
CN:
“Test each idea or
thought with the scriptures and let the scriptures speak and explain itself.
We must be able to stand on the Word of God to defend our faith.
We were to defend our doctrines with scriptures only.”
GE:
As long as ‘we’ do not test each idea or thought against the
larger idea or thought of God or Scripture ....
CN:
“Those who try to use
her writings to defend our doctrines are misusing and abusing her work causing
much confusion for those who are searching for and have a love of the truth.”
GE:
Exactly like CN is doing here .... You have a love for ‘Sr
White’, clearly .... and misuse an abuse Scripture as shown here .... and you
want to be believed you love the truth?
CN:
“She also said that
those who are spiritually weak will misuse her words to support their pet
causes.”
GE:
Like the point at issue in this debate is the ‘pet cause’ of our ‘expert’?
CN:
“There were several
Advent leaders that were given visions and understanding of the teachings of
our church regarding the judgment message, the importance of the sanctuary
system to the plan of salvation.”
GE:
Thanks for having summed it all up very neatly; don’t ever
say I falsely accused you.
Gerhard Ebersöhn
Private Bag X43
Sunninghill 2157