That Day of the Entombment
in the Friday crucifixion theory
Seventh-day Adventist refuted
by Gerhard Ebersφhn
GE:
Read
SDAs article at the end of my answers.
SDA:
In a special sense, the prefiguring of His victory over the grave was
the capstone of hope for both Old and New Testament believers. Just as the
sheaf of firstfruit grain held the promise and assurance of abundant harvest,
even so our blessed Lords glorious resurrection is the guarantee of a mighty
harvest in the resurrection soon to take place. Because I live, ye shall live also. John 14:19.
In the light of this tremendous, undeniable evidence of the Word
of God, we can positively affirm that Jesus was not, and could not have been,
resurrected on the Sabbath. Neither could He have been crucified on a Wednesday
or Thursday as this would have Firstfruits fall on the wrong day. With a
Wednesday crucifixion and literal 72 hours in the grave, the resurrection would
occur on a Saturday Sabbath, which should precisely match the day of Firstfruits
(16 Nisan) but does not. With a Wednesday crucifixion, Firstfruits (16 Nisan)
will fall on Friday, meaning that the resurrection should also be on Friday. It
would seem to be clear that under the Wednesday crucifixion theory, Firstfruits
(16 Nisan) can't be fitted in anywhere and remain harmonious with scripture.
Therefore, this completely excludes the possibility of a Wednesday crucifixion
and 72 hour theory that some would promote.
......
The argument for the Wednesday crucifixion theory primarily
stems from Matthew 12:40 which states.
GE:
My
answer is not meant to defend a Wednesday-crucifixion or a Friday-crucifixion;
my argument is aimed at defending the Bible-truth Jesus was crucified on the
first of the three passover-days of Abib 14, 15 and 16; on Abib 14 therefore, which
according to both the New Testament and Old Testament Scriptures in the year
Jesus was crucified fell on the Fifth Day of the week. (The Fifth Day 50%
equivalent with the modern Thursday-daytime and 50% equivalent with modern
Wednesday-night).
SDA:
The argument for the Wednesday crucifixion theory primarily
stems from Matthew 12:40 which states. For
as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whales belly; so shall the Son
of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The
proponents of this argument say that in order for Jesus to prove that He is the
Messiah that He must have met this condition or He could not be the Messiah. We
will be covering a prophecy that is greatly abused by the enemy because it is
not understood by the majority, which is that Daniel 9:24-27 proves beyond
doubt that Jesus was in fact the Messiah. This is the most powerful and perfect
Messianic prophecy in the Word of God proving that Jesus was the Christ. So
regardless as to how long Jesus was in the grave, we need not have any doubt
that Jesus is the One.
GE:
I fully agree!
SDA:
The proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory say they have
back tracked the Jewish calendar and established that the Passover
sabbath occurred on the Thursday of the week of Christs crucifixion and that
the Sabbath referred to is not the weekly Sabbath but the Passover only. Before
establishing if there is any truth in this statement, observe the following
table for an understanding of this entire event.
Passover |
Feast of
Unleavened Bread |
||||||
14th |
15th |
16th |
17th |
18th |
19th |
20th |
|
Paschal Lamb
Slain |
1st Day
Feast of Unleaven Bread |
The Omer |
- |
- |
- |
- |
|
Not a Sabbath |
A Sabbath |
Not |
- |
- |
- |
- |
|
Unleaven
Bread Eaten |
|||||||
|
All Leaven
Removed From the House (Exodus 12:19) |
||||||
Crucifixion |
In the tomb |
Resurrection |
- |
- |
- |
- |
|
1st Day |
2nd Day |
3rd Day |
|
|
|
|
|
Note that the beginning of Passover when the lamb was slain is
not the Passover sabbath but this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan the following
day.
GE:
Yes, perfectly right, this day, the Passover sabbath that occurs
on the 15th of Nisan was the day after and following, the beginning of
Passover when the lamb was slain which beginning of Passover when the lamb was slain was the 14th of Nisan. Passover
when the lamb was slain, was, passover; but is not the Passover sabbath.
Just to clarify.
SDA:
Jesus became our Passover lamb and died at the exact time the Passover
lamb would have been sacrificed. Matthew, Mark and Luke all record that Christ
died at the ninth hour (9 hours after the sun had risen, 3:00 p.m.)
Matthew 27:46 And about the NINTH HOUR Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli,
Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why have you forsaken
me?
This is the same time that Josephus records the slaughter of the
Passover lambs commenced. Christ fulfilled the symbolism of the Passover lambs
exactly by giving his life just as the unblemished Passover lambs began to be
slain on the 14th of Nisan.
GE:
So is it or so was it in fact. But
thats about as far as we perhaps could have agreed.
Heres your version ....
Friday Crucifixion Type Matches Antitype |
|||||||||||
14 Nisan |
15 Nisan |
16 Nisan |
|||||||||
Lords
Passover |
1st Day
of the Festival of Unleavened Bread |
The Omer |
|||||||||
NIGHT |
DAY |
NIGHT |
DAY |
NIGHT |
DAY |
||||||
Mt |
Mk |
Lk |
Jn |
Mt |
Mk |
Lk |
Jn |
Mt |
Mk |
Lk |
Jn |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
26:20 |
14:17 |
22:14 |
13:1 |
27:62 |
16:1 |
23:56 |
--- |
28:1 |
16:1 |
24:1 |
20:1 |
1st day
unleavened bread is eaten |
Passover
Lamb slain in evening (afternoon) |
A High double Sabbath day |
|
The Third Day |
|
||||||
Lords
Supper Christ arrested in |
Crucifixion |
Rested |
Rested |
Resurrection before sunrise Tomb discovered
empty just before sunrise |
|
Heres mine .....
THURSDAY Crucifixion Type Matches Antitype |
|||||||
14 Abib Preparation of the Passover |
15 Abib That Day great-day-sabbath |
16 Abib |
|||||
leaven REMOVED
Passover KILLED |
1st Day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread
FEAST |
FIRST
SHEAF WAVE |
|||||
NIGHT |
DAY |
NIGHT |
DAY/ LIGHT |
EVEN ING |
MORN ING |
MORN ING |
AFTER NOON |
Mk14:12/17
to 15:20a |
15:20b to 41 |
15:42 to 46a |
46b to 47 |
------ |
------ |
------ |
------ |
Mt26:17/20
to 27:26 |
27:27 to 56 |
27:57 to 59 |
60 to 61 |
------ |
------ |
27:62 to 66 |
28:1 to 4 |
Lk22:7/14
to 23:25 |
23:26 to 49 |
23:50 to 53a |
53b to 56a |
56b |
------ |
------ |
------ |
Jn13:1/29-30
to 18:28 |
19:14 to 30 |
19:31/38 to 40 |
41 to 42 |
------ |
------ |
------ |
------ |
Abib 17 First Day of the week 4th Day of the Festival of Unleavened
Bread |
||||||
NIGHT |
Mk16:1 when the Sabbath had gone through Mary M & Mary & Salome bought spices that might anoint him when they go |
Jn20:1
Mary early darkness still seeth the stone
runneth cometh to Simon |
Jn20:3-10 Peter and other went ... in ... went
away again to home |
.... deepest early morning they and others came carrying spices Lk24:1 (Lk24:22) |
|
Mk16:2 (Lk24:24) very early before sunrise.... Mary had had stood after.... Jn20:11 |
DAY |
Jn20:11-15 saw Jesus supposing gardener Mk16:9 very early on the First Day of the week |
Mt28:5 explained the angel to the women |
Lk24:13 journeying to Emmaus |
Today is the third day since THESE THINGS DELIVERED CONDEMNED CRUCIFIED (14 Nisan THURSDAY)
|
Lk24:29 .... toward evening the day is far spent .... |
SDA:
Jesus was placed in the sepulchre before sunset as they were in a hurry
to bury Jesus because the Sabbath would begin at sundown.
GE:
SDA, please read that Scripture
out for us where it is written, Jesus
was placed in the sepulchre before sunset as they were in a hurry to bury Jesus
because the Sabbath would begin at sundown? [See study, Buried before sunset.]
True, no matter which
sabbath, Sabbath would begin at
sundown the passovers or the weeks sabbath. But
alas, sabbath (whichever) would not
begin AT sundown sundown, sabbath would have HAD begun!
The question in our Scripture, Lk23:54-56, is not only WHICH
sabbath, but WHEN did sabbath, BEGIN?!
Was sabbath, in its BEGINNING, or was sabbath, in its ENDING in
Lk23:54-56A? Was sabbath
prospective; or was sabbath retrospective in Lk23:54-56A and Jn19:41-42?
I am of course alluding to the
two Scriptures of Luke 23:54, and Leviticus 23:5-7 referenced in the
above table of yours. Because the
sabbath involved in Luke 23:54
wont be found in its beginning in Luke
23:54. The sabbath in Luke 23:54
will in Mk15:42/Mt27:57 and Jn19:31/38 be found in its beginning. The sabbath involved in Luke 23:54 is the very sabbath spoken of in Jn19:31 and Mk15:42,
BUT, IN ITS ENDING!
The crux of the issue is:
1) Is the sabbath written of in John 19:31
and Luke 23:54, the sabbath written of in Lk23:56b and alluded to in John
19:42a?
2) Where or when, did this sabbath begin, and
where or when, did it end; was it, between John 19:31 and Luke 23:54?
3) Is the sabbath found between John 19:31
and Luke 23:54 The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath, the Sixth
Day of the week?
1) The sabbath in Jn19:31 was The
Preparation in distinction to The Preparation of the Passover
found in Jn19:14.
2) The sabbath in Jn19:31, was
.... The Preparation in Jn19:31, the preparations of the Jews in
19:42, STILL.
3) The sabbath in Jn19:31 was The
Preparation in Mk15:42/Mt27:52 and Lk23:54a/Jn19:42 because both
text-pairs cover the actions of Joseph and the Burial.
4) Therefore the sabbath in Jn19:31 AND Lk23:54b, ALSO was The Preparation .... which is the
Fore-Sabbath in Jn19:31a and Mk15:42/Mt27:57.
The Preparation WAS,
in Jn19:31. It was the very Preparation which is the
Fore-Sabbath in Mk15:42/Mt27:57, since THAT DAY was, of great-sabbaths
status, of great-sabbaths status because sabbath of the
passover-season and FEAST-DAY sabbath according to the Scriptures
the passover-Scriptures.
The clause, because that
day of great-sabbath was, does NOT
refer to the passovers THIRD
day according to the Scriptures resurrection-day but it refers to
the sabbath that was sabbath by ordinance according to the Scriptures.
By ordinance according to the Scriptures the passover Scriptures, was
it the SECOND day of passovers
season and FIRST day of Unleavened Bread EATEN passovers FEAST and first of seven ordinary calendar-days. (The last of the
seven days on 21st of the First Month also had sabbaths status.) It did not matter on which day of the week
these sabbaths fell, it was a sabbath but ALWAYS, BESIDES, the Sabbaths of the LORD which
were on the Seventh Day, Lv23:1-4.
THIS sabbath of / on second
day of passover and great day sabbath, was NOT the Sabbath according to the (Fourth) COMMANDMENT on which the
women began to rest (Lk23:56b) after the Preparation which is the
Fore-Sabbath would have ended mid-afternoon the Sabbath pending,
Mk15:42 and Lk23:54-56a ....
THIS sabbath of / on second
day of passover and great day sabbath, was That Day of sabbath
1) that extended
from evening in Mk15:42/Jn19:31;
and
2) that lasted
night and that day ....
That
(great) Day (sabbath) |
|
NIGHT |
DAY/ LIGHT |
15:42 to 46a |
46b to 47 |
27:57 to 59 |
60 to 61 |
23:50 to 53a |
53b to 56a |
19:31/38 to 40 |
41 to 42 |
and ....
3) that UNTIL
by the time of the Jews preparations as the Sabbath drew on in
Jn19:42/Lk23:54, was;
4) and that ONLY ENDED as soon as the
women began to rest the Sabbath in Lk23:56a.
.... this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan .... and
1) was, that (ordinary week-) day
(Jn19:31) BEGINNING
.... this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan .... and
2) was, The Preparation .... which
is the Fore-Sabbath (Mk15:42/Jn19:31) BEGINNING
.... this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan .... and
3) was .... That Great Day of sabbath
(Jn19:31) BEGINNING
.... this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan .... and ....
4) FROM
by the time of the Jews preparations .... as the Sabbath drew on in
Jn19:42/Lk23:54, was ENDING
.... this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan .... and
5) was ENDING UNTIL BEFORE Lk23:56b.
THIS sabbath DAY of
great-sabbaths esteem Friday IMMEDIATELY
PRECEDED The Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment that would
have had begun when the women had begun to rest Friday-night-Saturday,
Lk23:56b. NO DAY OCCURRED IN BETWEEN
THESE sabbaths and only servile
work was forbidden upon DAYS of great-sabbaths esteem, so that
the women were not only allowed to prepare spices on it, but in fact all duties
of passovers sabbaths were mandatory. Joseph acted upon That Day ....
because it was a great day of sabbath and as was the custom of the
Jews to bury even according to the Scriptures. [Custom
Apollinaris uses the word calculation for custom, definitely the
passover-calculation See study, Apollinaris.]
The first sabbath in back-to-back
sequence Friday - was AN ORDINARY
WEEK-DAY distinguished by,
1) the fact that it ALSO was
That Great Day of sabbaths esteem having been PASSOVERS sabbath
according to the Law; and by
2) the fact It was The
Preparation .... which is the Fore-Sabbath the Sixth Day of the week.
1) Sabbaton epefohsken seen Nominative Subject is Active , the FIRST in back-to-back sequence
sabbath (the Friday), was the Sabbath
(that) drew on mid-afternoon in which case it was the Fridays Preparations-Day
Lk23:54a = That Day Great-sabbath that by the time of the Jews
preparations Jn19:42 began ending towards the Sabbath.
2) Sabbaton epefohsken seen Accusative Subject is Passive , the SECOND in back-to-back sequence
sabbath (the Saturday), was the
Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment Lk23:56b that in 54b, drew on and had not yet begun The
Sabbath which the women according to the (Fourth) Commandment
began to REST Lk23:56a as soon as / by the time of the Jews
preparations Jn19:42, the Jews preparations was OVER.
The time of the Jews preparations
Jn19:42 was from 3 p.m. mid-afternoon when The Sabbath began to draw
near Lk23:54b until 6 p.m. sunset when evening, the women would
have started to rest the Sabbath Lk23:56b.
This sequence exactly resembles
the Old Testament incidence of the first-ever passover, day for day, symbolic
event for symbolic event on the fourteenth and fifteenth days of the First
Month:
Abib 14 in Jn19:14 Preparation of the Passover: Slaughter of
sacrifice and removal of leaven as figure of Christs dying and death;
Abib 15 second day of passover generally in Jn19:31 that day being
great-day-sabbath of passover and of first eating together with
the eating of the sacrifice of unleavened bread loaves Ex12:8 in that night to be solemnly
observed. That night, in which that which remains of the
sacrifice after having been eaten, had to be removed out and burned the next
day figure of the interment of
Christs bodily remains. Ex12:10b.
Abib 15 counted and observed from the first day of the First Month observed from the new moon first after spring equinox, and therefore afterwards on any day of the week landing, a sabbath the passovers sabbath day.
Abib 16 figure of Jesus Resurrection, the third day of prophecy and passover in particular, and in Lv23:11,15 the day after the sabbath of passover (See book 1/1, Crucifixion, par. 5.1.1.6.1.3.2. Out on the 15th and In on the 16th Nisan and App. p. 325f.)
SDA:
Note that a preparation day is the day before a Sabbath and so called
because it is the day used to prepare for the Sabbath which is going to occur
on the following day.
Luke 23:53-54 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a
sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
GE:
1) Abib
14 afternoon:
In the aftermath of the
darkness and sudden light accompanied by a great earthquake and the
bursting open of the graves when Jesus with a loud voice exclaiming, died, everyone
breast-beating, madly fled and left that scene of the crosses
forlorn. Lk23:48-49, Mt27:55-56.
2) Abib
15 after sunset evening:
It since Joseph appeared on the
scene now was in the night after the pandemonium at the crosses on
the day before. When Joseph (as Luke says) suddenly appeared (23:50a),
It had been evening already since it was The Preparation already,
Mk15:42/Mt27:57/Jn19:31/38.
3) Abib 15 after evening,
night:
Lk23:53a.... The first sentence in this verse stops after where it is
said that Joseph took it (the body) down and wrapped it in linen. It was the night before the body the next day
would be laid in the tomb.
It now was the night after the Jews have collected
themselves again so that they could eat
their passover meal, cf. Jn18:28
with 19:31 (earlier, that night). (Ex12:8)
It now was in the night after these things of the Jews asking Pilate about
the crucified, when only Joseph could go in to ask Pilate for the body, for to
bury it.
It now was night, Joseph only beginning to undertake
.... And he took (the body) down,
and wrapped it in linen Lk23:53a.
4) Abib 15 after midnight night:
Nicodemus came there with
myrrh; they treated the body; no bone shall be broken, great
cry, midnight woes of
5) Abib
15 after sunrise morning:
The women followed in the
procession.
6) Abib
15 mid-afternoon:
Thus ONLY THE NEXT DAY could
Joseph FINISH to bury the body of
Jesus: And he LAID (the body) in a
sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the
sabbath drew on. Now only was that day, Friday, That Great Day-sabbath and The Preparation (ending) whilst the
sabbath drew on. Only at
this stage by the time of the Jews preparations, Jn19:42, was that day beginning ending towards the
Sabbath Imperfect, Lk23:54.
SDA:
The Hebrew day begins and ends at sunset as the Bible makes plain and
Jews practice even today.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the
evening and the morning were the first day.
Leviticus 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and
you shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even
unto even, shall you celebrate your sabbath.
GE:
So is it. Why do you REFUSE this very principle and truth
applied in Mk15:42/Mt27:57/Jn19:31/38?
Why is it you will not see the beginning of the evening and of
the night and of That Day in Mk15:42/Mt27:57/Jn19:31/38? Because you will not see the beginning of The
Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath; the beginning of Preparation
and That-Great-Day-sabbath, in
Mk15:42/Mt27:57/Jn19:31/38. That only,
is why you will not allow Abib 15 start where the Bible says it was supposed
to start and where to end!
SDA:
So Jesus died at 3pm and was buried on the preparation day (the day
before the Sabbath) before sunset, which would begin THE Sabbath day....
GE:
Jesus did not die AND, was
buried on the preparation day the day before the Sabbath before sunset. Jesus died at 3pm on Abib 14, and everybody left and went
back, completely confused. At least
three hours later on and after
sunset and after It had become
evening already and The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath AND AFTER the morning-part of the night
and morning-part of the day and halve the part of afternoon after ANOTHER 15 hours was He buried on the preparation day (the day
before the Sabbath) before sunset, which would begin THE Sabbath day.
It is going to help you nothing
to keep on repeating Joseph buried Jesus before sunset the same day He was
crucified on; Joseph did NOT bury Jesus the same day that He was crucified on. Joseph began to undertake in the night after
crucifixion-day, and finished undertaking mid-afternoon before the
Fourth Commandment-Sabbath. That
is, Joseph BURIED Jesus on FRIDAY he took the body down in the
night and he and Nicodemus prepared the body during the rest of the night. The
following day they called the women to attend, who later sat over against the
grave and looking inside, saw how the body was laid. Then all left
and went home. All this happened during
the whole duration of the Sixth Day and second day of passover and first of
seven days of unleavened bread eaten from
after sunset until three hours before sunset.
So it is obvious Jesus was crucified and died the day before Friday; was buried on Friday, and rose again from the dead on the day after Friday, on the day after the
sabbath of the passover, Lv23:11,15, which of course, in that year and
incidence of once for all Messianic Fulfilment, happened to be the Seventh Day
Sabbath.
Jesus was therefore resurrected on the day after the
sabbath on the day after That-Great-Day-sabbath of the passover
according to the Scriptures BOTH Old and New Testament, because Christ
rose from the dead In Sabbaths
fullness being in the very midst of daylight afternoon before the First Day of
the week. (That means every event and every Scripture is accepted LITERALLY.)
SDA:
.... but which Sabbath day, the first day of Unleavened Bread or the
Seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath or was it both? It was in fact both which we
will now set out to prove.
GE:
The sabbath meant in Jn19:31
is THERE, explained and indicated perfectly, and in combination with its
parallel texts, Mk15:42/Mt27:57, leaves no doubt as to which day of the week
it was. Mark and John with use of
indicative Verbs and Pronouns, and Participles and Adjectives and Adverbs and
Idiom, DEFINE, WHICH, THAT DAY of great-sabbaths importance was: that
day mentioned in 31 as having been The Preparation. The Preparation IS SAID, was. And SINCE it was The Preparation, BECAUSE
THAT DAY WAS a great-day-of-a-sabbath, it follows unambiguously and
unmistakable and inevitably, that that day in Jn19:31 was,
the very day Mark SAID, was The Preparation WHICH IS THE FORE-SABBATH.
You maintain The Hebrew day begins and ends at sunset as
the Bible makes plain and Jews practice even today. Isnt
this truth, proof, for you, SDA, Jesus was crucified the day BEFORE he was
buried? Why do you want to prove that day of Jesus BURIAL, to have
been something it was not? To seek the
favour of
SDA:
Luke 23:52-56, 24:1-3 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the
body of Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid
it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54
And that day was the preparation [Friday], and the sabbath drew on. 55 And the women also, which came
with him from
The women viewed the sepulchre and the body of Jesus on the
preparation day (Friday evening before sunset) and then rested according to the
fourth Commandment, on THE
Saturday Sabbath. When the Saturday Sabbath had past, the women returned to the
tomb at sunrise, and that day was the first day of the week (Sunday). Luke
23:55-56 says, the women
beheld
the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared
spices and ointments; and RESTED THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.
After viewing the body of Jesus they had only enough time to prepare spices and ointments and then rested
on THE Seventh day Sabbath according to the Commandment.
GE:
.... on the preparation day (Friday evening before sunset).... On
any day before sunset is not evening; it is afternoon, exactly
what Lk23:54 says, And that day was the preparation [Friday], and the sabbath drew on. Literally, mid-afternoon
or mid-light(day)-was-ep(i)-e-fohs-k-en > epefohsken.
Evening would have been heh opsia, and would have come after
sunset.
When the Saturday Sabbath had past (sic), the women returned to the tomb at sunrise, and that day was the first
day of the week (Sunday).
When the Sabbath (Saturday) had
been past, the women returned to the tomb? They have not before been to the tomb?
They also did not go to the tomb when the Sabbath had passed; three of
the women bought spices as soon as the Sabbath was over. Mk16:1. Several women went to the tomb after midnight
on Sunday morning; in fact, more than once, before sunrise!
Luke 23:55-56 says, the women
beheld the sepulchre, and how
his body was laid. Mark and Matthew though, does not say the women
beheld; they say, Mary
Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses ONLY. They were the women who came with Him from
They at no stage, ever view(ed) the body of Jesus (SDA: After viewing the body of Jesus ....) Just before in verse 53a already, Luke
mentions how Joseph (and Nicodemus) had wrapped it (the body) in
linen. That they did long before in
the night-hours of the Sixth Day; here (verse 55b, in the early afternoon) they
progressed with the wrapped body towards the sepulchre, the women following
after.
What a waste now to prove .... that in fact .... the
first day of Unleavened Bread, was the
Seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath.
Nothing and no word in these texts prove
anything of the sort!
You have NO reason to allege they had only enough time to prepare spices and ointments and then rested;
you have no right to falsely CREATE the impression there scarcely was enough
time for the women to prepare spices and ointments. You artfully create a lack
of time by shoving the Burial in between 3 p.m. when Jesus died and before when the women would have gone
home to before sundown prepare their
spices. But it clearly says in Jn19:42 they laid Jesus body in the grave by
the time of the Jews preparations beginning
which was mid-afternoon the exact same time that Luke noted Joseph had
closed the grave and left and the women went home to prepare their spices. So when was Joseph supposed to have buried
Jesus? O, he had enough time left on
Friday afternoon? But the women not even
had time to prepare a few spices?
The two Marys had enough time
just as they had enough spices; as little as they needed to buy spices on
Friday afternoon, as little needed the women to hasten for lack of time. It is
a fabricated lie of every Sunday-resurrectionist to force the Burial onto the
day of the Crucifixion so that they may reach Sunday for the Resurrection.
It is a fabricated lie of every
Sunday-resurrectionist to make Friday the day of Crucifixion AND Burial, so
that Saturday can be made Still Saturday, so that Sunday can be made
Resurrection-day. It is a fabricated lie IN STEAD OF the truth, Friday was that
day of the Burial ONLY, and Thursday before it was the day of the Crucifixion
ONLY, and the Sabbath after Friday and the Burial, was the day of the Resurrection.
SDA:
Luke would never refer to Passover as THE Sabbath or according
to the Commandment and so can only be referring to one of the Ten
Commandments of God being the fourth Commandment, the Sabbath of the Lord.
GE:
Who did ever allege Luke referred to Passover as THE
Sabbath or (Passover) according to
the Commandment? No one but
SDA! The writer of Leviticus is it not Luke who
referred to ONE OF the passover-days as the sabbath of the passover, Lv23:11,15. That sabbath of the passover was the second
day on the passover calendar, Abib 15, and (as has been said above already),
since it was determined astrometrically from the first day of the First Month (Ex13:10, 12:2, Lv23:4) it could fall
on any day of the week, the Commandment-Sabbath included.
The only question in this
instance in the Gospels of Jesus last passover remaining, is, On
which day of the week eventually did the passovers sabbath, fall? The Gospels give answer: Since it was The
PREPARATION WHICH IS the Fore-Sabbath .... because THAT DAY was a
great-day-sabbath. Since That
Day, it was beginning, it is a night to be solemnly observed
and not wantonly waved!
Luke DOES refer to Passover as THE
Sabbath in 54. He says that day
was Preparation-day and has turned towards the Sabbath. Yes, It was the Sabbath (Seventh Day
that) was approaching all the same, the day was the same day
as Johns in 19:31 and 42, That Day was great day of a sabbath!
The passover that John refers to in 19:31, That Day
that was a great day of a sabbath, that day Luke refers to in 23:54 was the very DAY the Preparation
that was in BOTH Gospels.
Luke resembles John closely,
John has, The Preparation was .... that
day was (paraskeueh ehn .... hehmera ekeinou
ehn),
·
the day (heh hehmera),
·
the day was / would be
.... (heh hehmera ehn)
BEGINNING (Ingressive Aorist),
·
Preparation was /
would be (paraskeyeh ehn)
BEGINNING (Ingressive Aorist),
·
since indeed (it)
was / would be The Preparation (epei
paraskeyeh ehn),
·
Therefore .... since
indeed (it) was / would be Preparation (oun
.... epei paraskeyeh ehn),
·
that day (hemera ekeinou),
·
that day was / would
be (ehn heh hemera ekeinou),
·
because that day was
/ would be (ehn gar heh hemera ekeinou),
·
because great that
day was / would be (ehn gar megaleh
heh hemera ekeinou),
·
because great that day was / would be of the sabbath (ehn gar megaleh heh hemera ekeinou
tou sabbatou).
Luke has, Thι day Preparation indeed sabbath was (kai hehmera ehn paraskeyehs kai sabbaton).
1) (the) day (hehmera),
2) was / has / had been (hehmera ehn)
3) ENDING ehn interpreted Imperfect or Constative Aorist,
the day was / has / had been
(hehmera ehn) (impossible to say would be).
4) the Preparation day (paraskeuehs)
5) was / has / had
been (ehn paraskeuehs)
3) instead of beginning, ENDING
ehn interpreted Imperfect or Constative Aorist,
The day was / has / had been Preparation
(hehmera ehn paraskeuehs) (impossible to say would be).
Indeed The Preparation was also a sabbath kai hehmera ehn paraskeuehs kai
sabbaton.
Indeed The Preparation was sabbath withdrawing / running out
kai hehmera ehn paraskeuehs kai sabbaton
epιfohsken.
Luke speaks of the identical
day John speaks of, and both speak of that day / thι day that has been
a sabbath; John saying it was / would be because / since it had
begun; Luke saying it was ending because it almost with three
more hours left had been. Lk23:54/Jn19:42.
That day great day of
sabbath would finally have come to an end as soon as the women would begin
to rest the Sabbath according to (Fourth) Commandment Lk23:56b, after sunset.
SDA:
Luke would never refer to Passover as THE Sabbath or according
to the Commandment and so can only be referring to one of the Ten
Commandments of God being the fourth Commandment, the Sabbath of the Lord. This
being the case, the woman would on the next available chance return to embalm
the body of Jesus. Which day was this? And
very early in the morning the first day of the week.
GE:
Lk23:54 implies the weekly Sabbath
approaching whether Accusative or Nominative, Active or Passive, whether sabbath
be Subject or Object. Abib 15 after
three hours would close and Burial sundown
three hours be past and Crucifixion and death, twenty four plus three.
Their FIRST available chance. It would not be their
next chance since they have had no
chance before. It was their last chance
for the reasons you have just mentioned.
The woman on the first
available chance in fact returned,
to embalm the body of Jesus. Which day was this? And very early in the morning the first day of the week. And what happened? SDA and cohorts say then
the Resurrection happened, and to say it, they had to PUSH Fridays END forward
virtually onto the Sabbath itself. The
women viewed the sepulchre and the body of Jesus on the preparation day (Friday
evening before sunset) and then
rested according to the fourth Commandment, on THE Saturday Sabbath. (....
before sunset therefore must be untrue; the women did not begin resting before sunset; they began to rest ON
the sabbath, i.e., after sunset.) The NAB does the same thing, by wedging in the
word sabbath into Jn19:42, like this: Because the Sabbath-day for the
Jews almost has begun / virtually has started.
On which side of the dividing line
between The Preparation and The Sabbath does the wedge eventually
protrude? Whichever side, not a second
came in between the line and the rest of the day it emerged on. So they killed the whole Time-of-Preparations
that as portion of the Sixth Day is supposed to represent the whole of it.
It is the Time-of-Preparations
that gives the Sixth Day its name in the Gospels, the SUBSTANTIAL portion of
it, the last THREE FULL HOURS of The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath
for these very three full hours!
O how they mess with your Word,
o God, their cohorts and the Seventh-day Adventists!
SDA:
The first day of the week is Sunday which follows the Seventh day of
the week which is the Seventh day Sabbath.
If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday and this was Passover (Nisan
14) then Thursday would be the Passover Sabbath (Nisan 15) and 72 literal hours
would take us to sunset on THE
Sabbath, the Seventh day of the week. What would have been the first available
time for the woman to return with their spices
and ointments and embalm the body of Jesus? Their first available
chance would have been EARLY Friday morning, the preparation day before the
Seventh day Sabbath, but as we have seen this was not the case because we are
told that their first chance was on the first
day of the week [Sunday], VERY
EARLY IN THE MORNING, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which
they had prepared.
If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, there is absolutely no way
the woman would have procrastinated two days before opening the tomb on Sunday
to embalm His body as it would have stunk of decay as this would have been the
fourth day in the tomb. This is what Martha said of her own brother Lazarus.
John 11:39 Jesus said, Take you away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was
dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he has been dead four
days.
To make the Wednesday theory fit, we would have to come up with
all sorts of excuses as to why they did not take opportunity on Friday to
embalm the body of Jesus and find ways of manipulating the Word of God to
explain resting on THE Sabbath
according to the Commandment. It does not fit and becomes a stretch of
the imagination to try and force this theory into place that we will see soon
is impossible.
GE:
Nevertheless, to make the Friday
theory fit, you have to come up with all sorts of side-issues and find excuses
for them like why the women did not embalm the body of Jesus whenever, but must
manipulate the Word of God to say the womens resting on THE Sabbath
according to the Commandment meant that God was as idle as the women were on
the Sabbath and therefore would not have raised Christ from the dead on it. By any stretch of the imagination you must
create detractions to force the First Day-resurrection theory into the
Scriptures which we time and again have seen is impossible. In other words, you have said nothing.
SDA:
Luke 23:52-56 .... THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT .... (was) A Double Sabbath If Friday was the day of crucifixion then this day would have to be a
preparation day for not only Passover but also for the Seventh day Sabbath of
the Lord and would therefore be a double Sabbath. Can we prove this from the
Word of God for even further evidence?
GE:
If Friday was the day of crucifixion then this day would have to be a
preparation day for not only Passover but also for the Seventh day Sabbath ....
which is this day? You must be speaking of Friday. If Friday was the day of crucifixion then FRIDAY would have to
be a preparation day for not only Passover but also for the Seventh day Sabbath
...., Yes! But now it does not SAY Friday was the day of crucifixion; it is SDAs fabrication. It says, Since The Preparation ....
because That Day was a great day of sabbath. Just that, and that, LONG AFTER the LAST events and scenes
at, and leaving and abandoning of, the cross and The Crucified.
It SAYS on the morning of Crucifixion-day
BEFORE the Crucifixion
It was The Preparation of
the Passover in John 19:14;
and AFTER the Crucifixion and AFTER
that Jesus had died
and AFTER everybody had
gone home Luke 23:47-49
and AFTER all had forsake(n)
Him
and AFTER the Jews had had
their Passover-Meal Jn28:18/19:31
and AFTER evening had had
come already Mk15:42/Mt27:57
and AFTER It now was The Preparation
which is the Fore-Sabbath already Mk15:42/Jn19:31,
and AFTER these things
Jn19:38 of the Jews request,
there arrived there Joseph
from Arimathea.
And therefore does it follow
like day the night and night the day, FRIDAY
The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath was That Day AFTER The
Preparation of the Passover and AFTER
the Crucifixion. Friday was NOT the day OF
crucifixion; the day before Friday was the day of crucifixion, and then this day Friday would have to be a preparation day for the Sabbath of the week sequentially, according
to the Scriptures the sabbath of passover and interment of that
which remaineth of The Sacrifice.
Its your mistake, SDA, not to distinguish in sequence there
are TWO, sabbaths involved within the confines of your referred Scripture, Luke 23:52-56.
One:
THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING
TO THE COMMANDMENT, 56b.
The OTHER sabbath, IMPLIED, but also MENTIONED, which
EXTENDED ....
FROM Lk23:50
when suddenly, Joseph /
Mk15:42 / Mt27:57 / Jn19:31,
TO Lk23:54
Now (with three hours to go) That Day had
been Preparations-Day mid-afternoon when Sabbath was-a-coming, and
Jn19:42, BY THE TIME OF the
Jews preparations which is from 3 p.m. on Fridays ....
.... and beyond, to ....
when the OTHER Sabbath which is going
to occur on the following day .... would begin at sundown three hours
later, 6 p.m., when the women began to rest the Sabbath according to the
Commandment the Fourth Commandment, kata tehn entolehn, Lk23:56b.
Since it was The Preparation .... and because that day was a
great-day-sabbaths-day BEFORE
Jesus interment (John 19:31a), it
Now having been evening
already, was The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath beginning BEFORE Josephs undertaking! (Mk15:42)
This day as with Josephs undertaking since and in
between and throughout its night and three quarters of its daytime, began and ended That-Day-great-day-of-sabbaths-status.
By the time of the Jews
preparations (Jn19:42)
after Joseph (had closed the grave and had gone home)
mid-afternoon when Sabbath
was-a-coming-on
(Mt27:60b, Lk23:53b-54), it
STILL was Preparation and .... great-day-sabbaths-day (Jn19:31)
WHEN the Preparation STILL
the women left for home and prepared spices and ointments (Lk23:56a) until when
NO LONGER it was The
Preparation, but
they had begun to rest the Sabbath according to the
(Fourth) Commandment after the Sabbath would have had begun with
sunset. (Lk23:56b)
Joseph undertook to bury and
finished Burial, and, the women
after the Burial began to prepare and finished to prepare, on one and the same
day of Friday and well before its ending moment with sunset.
Josephs undertaking took the better part
six to seven eighths, or,
18 to 21 hours, or,
about 6-9 p.m. on
Thursday-night to exactly mid-afternoon 3 p.m. on Friday afternoon,
or,
from after Mk15:42/Mt27:57/Jn19:31b
and lasted until Lk23:54/Jn19:42
of that-day-of-great-sabbath-Preparation-Fore-Sabbath
before Lk23:56b/Mk16:1.
The approaching Sabbath in
Lk23:54, was THE NOT YET PRESENT Sabbath
according to the (Fourth) Commandment in verse 56b.
1) By having with three hours to go said, Now that day was / had been
Preparations-Day mid-afternoon when / while Sabbath was-a-coming, Luke
wrote about the same day which John wrote about when he wrote, Since
being The Preparation because that-day-a
great-day-sabbaths-day was / would be.
2) Luke retrospectively
implies, alludes to and mentions, The Preparation-great-day-sabbath which
John prospectively mentioned as the
Preparation and That-Day-Great-Day-sabbath that, as Mark and Matthew
are saying, had had already begun .... EVENING HAVING BEGUN.
3) Luke with merely sabbath meant, and
made mention of The Preparation-great-day-sabbath which John had
spoken of and that was running out or had begun to run out at
the time when Luke makes mention of. Yes, The Preparation-great-day-sabbath.
4) Luke in Lk23:56 in its last clause, 56b wrote of the weekly Sabbath. The Seventh Day Sabbath would begin after the three
hours of the Jews preparations, Jn19:42. The Seventh Day Sabbath would begin as soon as
the women according to the Commandment the Fourth Commandment would
have had begun to rest on the Sabbath.
5) In
those three hours left on Friday afternoon
AFTER Joseph had closed the grave and
everybody had gone home,
the two Marys who alone attended the entombment
Lk23:55=Mk15:42/Mt27:61
BEFORE they had begun to rest the Sabbath,
prepared spices and
ointments.
6) After
the Sabbath (the second and last in back to back sequence and
weekly Sabbath) had gone through (Mk16:1), the two Marys AND
SALOME for Salomes sake bought
spices so that WHEN THEY WOULD GO they might anoint Him.
7) WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE SABBATH?
.... EXPLAINED THE ANGEL
AND TOLD THE WOMEN ....
Mt28:5, 1-4!
8) WHEN
DID the women go that they might
anoint Him? Most naturally of
course when carrying their spices they came deepest morning (of night)
as Luke and only Luke recorded the plain and truthful facts of the night AFTER
the Resurrection.
SDA:
In the Bible, Passover is always
called Passover and the Seventh day Sabbath is always called the Sabbath.
GE:
I cannot think that you wrote
your claim with thought or knowledge.
SDA:
John 19:31 below says THE
Sabbath with the word THE
being the definite article, that is, not A sabbath but THE Sabbath. Hence
this is and can only be the weekly Sabbath.
GE:
No fine; nobody is upset about
it. The Wednesday-crucifixionists dont
know anything; forget them. Jesus was
crucified on Thursday, buried on Friday, and resurrected, quote: On the Sabbath. Then on Sunday
after-sunrise-morning early, risen,
He appeared to Mary Magdalene, first (of all).
SDA:
John 19:14 confirms it is a double sabbath. This day is not only the
preparation for THE Sabbath but also the preparation for THE Passover and
why it is called a high day.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour:
and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
GE:
John 19:14 confirms nothing of the kind. On the
contrary, it confirms the time and
day of Jesus crucifixion as you
very well should know, and everything that had happened BEFORE the preparation for
THE Sabbath had begun when only,
Joseph turned up, Mk15:42,
Mt27:57, Jn19:31, and Lk23:50.
Mk15:42, Mt27:57, Jn19:31, and
Lk23:50, confirm everything that
had been done by Joseph AFTER when
evening it had become. Nothing
before it; nothing of the Crucifixion!
These texts, Mk15:42, Mt27:57,
Jn19:31, and Lk23:50,
confirm that The Preparation
which is the Fore-Sabbath (Friday) ALSO
had been that day .... of great-day-sabbath, the passover-sabbath and Feast High Day, and, that
it Now, had begun already and for most part now was still
lying ahead.
Important of this passover and
Feast High- or Head-Day-sabbath Abib 15,
was,
1) that it uninterruptedly was with no other
day in between the day AFTER the
first-day-(of-passover)-when-without-leaven they always had to kill the passover sacrifice Abib 14;
2) that it was the day upon which the
passover sacrifice was EATEN / FEASTED;
3) that it was the first of seven days, and the
(first) sabbath of passover upon
which unleavened bread
was eaten;
And MOST important of this
passover and Feast High- or Head-Day-sabbath Abib 15, was,
4) that it uninterruptedly
was with no other day in between the day before the day after
the sabbath (Lv23:11,15) that it was the day before Abib 16 of passovers
First Sheaf Wave Offering, so that never
otherwise Abib 16 day of First
Sheaf Wave Offering
was the day after the (passovers) sabbath-day.
So important is the Prophetic
chronological sequence-relation of
this Feast- High- or Head-Day-sabbath Abib 15
to its preceding and following passover-days, that truth comes of its
proper being taken account of, or lie of its improper being taken account of.
SDA:
If Friday was the day of crucifixion then this day would have to be a
preparation day for not only Passover but also for the Seventh day Sabbath of
the Lord and would therefore be a double Sabbath.
GE:
That is strange? If Friday were
the day of crucifixion then
Friday would have had to be The
Preparation of the Passover
because the day that Jesus was
crucified on in Jn19:14, is in fact in Mk14:12/17, Mt26:17/22 and Lk22:7/14,
called
the first day (of passover)
they had to kill the passover /
the first day (of passover)
they always killed the passover /
the first day (of passover) without
leaven / leaven was removed. But here in
Mk15:42/Mt27:57 and Jn19:31//Lk23:50 Friday having begun Thursday night with
evening after sunset is being called The Preparation .... since
(it) having been That Day of sabbaths-greatness of the passover Abib 15 and SECOND day of greater passover
because it was the first of seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread
and the first of the two sabbaths of Unleavened Bread Feast-days during
passover-week.
Friday was NOT the day of crucifixion, but Friday
was That Day AFTER the day of crucifixion!
And theres nothing wrong with the
OTHER FACT that Friday was both
Friday and The Preparation Day which had nothing to with the first
mentioned fact the day Jesus had been crucified on, was called The
Preparation of the Passover the
preparation day OF ONLY, the passover.
It therefore is not Friday that
was called The Preparation of the Passover; its Friday that was
called The Preparation which
is the Fore-Sabbath. The
feast of unleavened bread succeeds
that of the Passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month ... so
then it MUST be Thursday which was
the day of the Crucifixion and which was called the Passover.
Even
through your quotation from Josephus, SDA, The feast of unleavened bread succeeds
that of the Passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month ..., you
are hiding your, own, deceit. The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that
of the Passover .... that, Pronoun for The feast with
which you mean identically The feast of unleavened bread because you
insinuate nay, rather assert the single day that the sacrifice was both
killed and eaten on the day of unleavened breads first eating.
This
is the second time you deliberately ignored and denied, the Bible-day does not continue over sunset; the Bible-day
stops before sunset. You here reckon Friday like the heathen do, so that the
day the sacrifice was killed on also can be the day that it was eaten, and the
first day unleavened bread was eaten, also was the day of Crucifixion. All confused and corrupted!
SDA:
Nisan
... is the beginning of our year, on the fourteenth
day of the lunar month ... and which was called
the Passover. ... The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the
Passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven
days.
GE:
The
fourteenth day of the month that was succeeded by The feast of
unleavened bread (that) falls on the fifteenth day of the month,
was indeed a day of the greater feast Nothing special or unleavened
was eaten on Abib 14; just usual food. Nisan fourteenth .... called
the Passover was feast of passover just
like any other of the eight ordinary days of Passovers Feast except it
was not one of the Days of Unleavened Bread. So, Nisan fourteenth
is not passover called The feast!
Nisan fourteenth never, is called The Feast. In
fact, it is Abib 14 that stands
distinguished as The Passover.
It
was NOT as were Jesus BOTH crucified and died, and buried, on Nisan
fourteenth called the Passover! Josephus does not like you, SDA and co.
say the Burial belonged to Nisan fourteenth called the Passover. The
Burial belonged to The Feast, Abib 15. It means you are placing the Burial of
the weekly Sabbath, SDA, by placing the Crucifixion of Friday.
Although
Josephus not directly says on which day of passover Jesus was buried, the Gospels directly say his Burial
belonged with, and to, The feast of unleavened bread (that) falls on
the fifteenth day of the month. In fact, so does all the Scriptures Old
and New Testament say concerning the passovers second day and first Day of
Unleavened Bread eaten passovers sabbath-day.
Several paragraphs, events and
time-indications BACK in context in all four Gospels, the day of the Crucifixion is recorded as having been The
Preparation of the Passover
both through implications of events and through being mentioned in Jn19:14 and
in 13:1 called the day before the Feast. Therefore there must exist definite CHRONOLOGICAL
SPACE BETWEEN the two Preparation-Days.
And where two Preparation-days are, there must also be two sabbaths,
of course; but they need not be a double-sabbath;
they dont need to coincide.
A sabbath (OT or NT) need not
coincide with another sabbath
need not be a double-sabbath to
be a great-day-sabbath or more precisely, a-day-of-great-day-sabbath
or even more precisely and correct: That-Day-of-great-day-sabbath. It needed
to be the sabbath NOT The Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment,
and it was, the sabbath of the passover, also called Feast of Unleavened
Bread, or just, The Feast.[[And, just, That Day see
study, That-Day-Great-Day-of-sabbath fifteenth day of the First Month]]
It could happen that a day-of-great-day-sabbath occur on the
weekly Sabbath. But in Jn19:31/Lk23:54
every indication and implication shows it was the incidence of the Sixth Day
having been That-Day-of-Great-Day-sabbath that made that It was
evening already The Preparation
which is the Fore-sabbath now ....
since being THAT DAY of sabbaths greatness one and the only That Great
Day according to the Scriptures of the PASSOVER!
Not only are separate
sabbaths clearly demarcated; separate Preparations are also clearly
demarcated as having belonged to the different sabbaths IN BACK TO BACK
SEQUENCE involved in these Scriptures.
So our debate is reduced to
were the sabbaths coinciding of were they consecutive?
Our very case in hand is clear
proof SDA has got it wrong In the
Bible, Passover is always
called Passover and the Seventh day Sabbath is always called the Sabbath. Our very case in hand is clear
proof SDA has got it wrong that .... we
(can) prove this from the Word of God for even further evidence .... a
sabbath (always is) THE Sabbath (and) hence this is and can only be the
weekly Sabbath.
In John
19:14, And it was the preparation OF
the Passover, the day involved Crucifixion-day is ONLY The
Preparation OF the Passover when they always killed
the passover Lk22:7/14, because it was The Preparation for ONLY the Passover in distinction from The
Preparation WHICH is The Fore-Sabbath Mk15:42 of the Jews preparations
Jn19:42.
The Preparation of the Passover was no high
day sabbath of passover at whichever stage in its history. The Preparation of the Passover in the New Testament (as above) is in
Jn19:14, Mk14:12/17, Mt26:17/22 and Lk22:7/14 very clearly identifiable for
having been
the first day (of passover)
without leaven / leaven was removed /
the first day (of passover)
they had to kill the passover /
the first day (of passover)
they always killed the passover ....
NEVER that which remains of
it you must burn or take out with you.
Where John writes about that-day-great-day-of-a-sabbath,
it is AFTER all events and circumstances, or time and DAY OF the Crucifixion; it
is no longer, John 19:14. That day which in Jn19:31 now was
That-Day-Great-Day-of-a-sabbath was that day which in Mk15:42, Now having
been evening already was
The Preparation WHICH is The
Fore-Sabbath : when suddenly there came this
man Joseph, Lk23:50.
John 19:31, Mk15:42/Mt27:57 and
Lk23:50, ARE NOT the parallel or equivalent texts they are being made by
interpreters of Luke 23:54-56 / John 19:42!
John
19:31, Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50 marks the beginning
phase or first three hours of the Sixth
Day after sunset; Luke 23:54-56 / John 19:42 marks the Sixths
Days ending phase or last three
hours before sunset.
1) From its beginning until its ending, That
Day-sabbath of and in between Jn19:31 and Lk23:54, followed the Crucifixion and came after Jn19:14.
2) And from its beginning until its ending, That
Day-sabbath of and in between Jn19:31 and Lk23:54, preceded and came
before Lk23:56b.
3) And from its beginning until three hours
before its end sundown, That Day-sabbath of and in between Jn19:31 and
Lk23:54, preceded and came before the rest of it from by the time of the
Jews preparations, mid-afternoon, until Lk23:56b that the women
began to rest the Sabbath and Jn19:42 by the time of the Jews
preparations ENDED.
The UNIVERSAL flaw in peoples and
in traditional thinking is that they do not realise this, or ignore it, or deny
it, or defy it, or corrupt it in order to adapt it in order to fit and support
their traditional and dogmatic misconception of a Sunday-resurrection. Like here, SDA and SDA brothers and sisters
and Sunday-friends are all united in doing .... by for example having changed Now
evening was come / had come KJV, NKJV, ML, RS, into, Late noon NAB, late
afternoon LB.
SDA:
John 19:14 confirms it is a double sabbath. This day is not only the
preparation for THE Sabbath but also the preparation for THE Passover and
why it is called a high day.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour:
and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies
should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was
an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they
might be taken away.
And so the Gospel of John informs us this double preparation day
was in fact before a high day,
that is a double Sabbath.
GE:
John 19:14 is NOT John
19:31, and SDA alleging And so
the Gospel of John informs us this double preparation day was in fact before a
high day, that is a double
Sabbath, is SDA unashamedly lying! Throwing the two texts next each other does
not make them speak of the same day! It
only disannuls what God has spoken in between them as were His Words like mans
dispensable destined for the rubbish-bin.
Irrelevant Scriptures are being
put together in order to deceive and lead the attention away from the
Scriptures that according to context and
own content should be associated, be brought together, and be appreciated
together. But instead irrelevant Scriptures are being concocted and cooked up
TO DESTROY the truth, Christ rose from the dead ON THE SABBATH and was Buried
on the day in between his crucifixion and resurrection.
SDA:
This is what The Peoples New Testament (1891) by B. W. Johnson
quotes:
John 19:31 - That
sabbath was a high day. A
double Sabbath, both the weekly Sabbath and a passover Sabbath. It was usual
Roman custom to leave crucified bodies on the cross, but out of deference to
their wishes Pilate consents that the legs of the victims should be broken in
order to hasten death, so that the bodies might be taken down and buried. The
legs were crushed with a hammer like a sledge and the shock would bring speedy
death.
GE:
Where are your words starting,
SDA, and Johnsons, ending? That sabbath was a high day is not, That sabbath was .... a double Sabbath, both the weekly Sabbath and a passover
Sabbath! You are simply,
SDA, dishonest.
.... out of deference to
their wishes Pilate consents .... It was not out of deference to their
wishes that Pilate, consented, but out of the JEWS deference to their custom of their passover feast day and great symbol of their independence, that THEY, begged Pilate SO AS to have the crucified bodies not left
on the crosses during its devotional hours since .... THAT DAY WAS GREAT
DAY SABBATH of their passover to the Jews their motive and motivation.
.... so that the bodies
might be taken down and buried.
No, the Jews idea was not that
the bodies might be taken down merely; and least, that the bodies
might be .... buried. The Jews
idea was that the bodies and the crosses should be removed from sight altogether SINCE
.... that day was great day sabbath of their passover to the Jews.
Why? How, would the Jews the morning
only riot to have Jesus crucified, but scarcely
was He hung, or they the day barely
mid-afternoon beg Pilate (who was very much surprised that He was
dead already Mk15:44) to have Him removed
again which was why they asked the
legs of the crucified to be broken? Why?
You Friday crucifixionists
allege the Jews because they were in a hurry because the sun was just about to
set, demanded of Pilate that the crucified be taken out of sight. For what else
have their legs broken than to have them die sooner in order to sooner have
them removed BECAUSE OF THE IMMINENT SUNSET? If then the Jews because the sun was just
about to set were in a hurry, why did they not wake up much sooner?
Because it was not the setting
sun that worried them.
In fact, suppose the Jews were
inattentive enough to allow the day to virtually pass by before they went to
Pilate with their demand, how much time after them remained for Joseph to do
what he obviously did at his leisure, definitely in no hurry without any
interference or threat of anything? (The Jews only on Saturday morning found
out about his doings!) And to have
finished all so that the women still could return home and do their usual
Sabbaths preparations as well as get their spices and ointments ready for use
(apparently for use after the Sabbath Day)?
Then still, the same question remaining to be asked concerning Joseph,
why could he not have foreseen and acted quicker? It is a ridiculous notion unrealistic of the
real situation, which the Gospels make clear as the setting sun was visible,
that nothing of all this took place while or before the sun went down, but only
had begun When now the evening had come and it already was the Preparation
and, that it exactly was That Great Day of sabbath that sounded
the alarm for the Jews as well as Joseph.
No! The Jews asked because
the THAT DAY WAS UPON THEM!
The Jews therefore,
or, The Jews no sooner, or, The Jews because it had become The
Preparation .... and that day had
been great-day-sabbath, asked! HERES THE REASON!
1) The day of Crucifixion never was The Feast; the day they removed the
bodies day of the Burial was, The Feast Jn13:1~31.
2) The day of Crucifixion was before
the Feast Jn13:1; the day they removed the bodies day of the Burial was ON the Feast Mt26:5.
3) The day of Crucifixion was, The Preparation of the Passover Jn19:14; the day they removed the bodies day of the
Burial was The Preparation
.... the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath
Mk15:42.
The day they removed the bodies
day of the Burial was no longer,
the day of the Crucifixion.
1) The day the Jews asked Pilate on the day they
removed the bodies, day of the Burial
was, The Feast thats why they asked as soon as this day had started.
2) The day the Jews asked Pilate the day they
removed the bodies, day of the Burial
now, was, That Day of the great day-sabbath Jn19:31 thats why they asked as soon as this
day had started.
3) The day the Jews asked Pilate the day they
removed the bodies, day of the Burial
now, was, The Preparation which
is the Fore-Sabbath Jn19:14 thats
why they asked as soon as this day had started.
The day Joseph and the Jews
before him asked Pilate the day of the Burial
was The Preparation it
having become evening already Mk15:42 thats why he, and they, asked as soon as this day had started.
1) The day Joseph had asked on the
day of the Burial in the end was, the Preparation
reclining towards the
Sabbath Lk23:54 thats why Joseph had
asked as soon as this day had started.
2) The day Joseph had asked on the
day of the Burial in the end by the time of the Jews
preparations because the grave was ready at hand, they laid Jesus there.
Jn19:42 thats why Joseph had asked
as soon as this day had started.
3) The day Joseph had asked on the
day of the Burial they in the end
and after it, rested the Sabbath
Day, according to the Commandment. Lk23:56b thats why Joseph had asked as soon as this day
had started.
For the Jews after the die is
cast to try save the day is unimaginable.
It is past ludicrous that suddenly this great day sabbath is almost
spent like you Sunday crucifixionists say, before the Jews awoke to their
dilemma! No, The Feast was just beginning,
and the Jews immediately realised what
it implied for their pride if on this national day of theirs that King of
the Jews stayed hanging on that hill like the King of Ai after the sun had come up. [See
study, Buried before sunset.]
The Jews acted from hatred and
to save face, since now it was The Preparation (beginning) and because
that day was of great-day-sabbaths-IMPORTANCE to them. Left in public view ON THIS DAY of all days to the JEWS, those
symbols of their bondage under
Definitely the Jews motive was
not that the bodies might be buried. The Jews did not act out of
compassion or respect. They knew what the fate of a crucified person was. Joseph acted out of compassion and respect,
yes, because he was a disciple of Jesus. But Joseph also acted because he minded the
custom / law of the Jews to bury.
Not even knowing, the Jews as well as Joseph did everything they did that
the Scriptures might be fulfilled.
Even Pilate. So Joseph undertook so
that Gods will would be obeyed according to His Eternal Purpose and
Council.
So all these factors and
aspects militate against the traditional view of a burial immediately after the
death by crucifixion of Jesus. MANY
things first had to be arranged and done before Joseph could close that
grave-entrance. Where commentators cut all corners, Joseph conscientiously bided
his time.
SDA:
For those who believe the Wednesday crucifixion theory, lets just
clarify these facts one more time so there can be no misunderstanding ....
GE:
Dont believe the Wednesday crucifixion theory; believe
the facts.
SDA:
For those who believe the Wednesday crucifixion theory, lets just clarify
these facts one more time so there can be no misunderstanding. Passover is
ALWAYS called Passover and Passover is NEVER called THE SABBATH because
obviously THE SABBATH is and can only be THE SABBATH.
GE:
Fact: Passovers sabbath which was not the
Sabbath you want us to think it was, is called the sabbath in Lv23:11 and 15;
and clearly the sabbath of the passovers several passover-ordinary
days was one of eight ordinary passover-days, That Day of Abib 15
Passover-Feast-Day That-Great-Day of Abib 15 Passover-Feast-Day and
SECOND of passovers eight ordinary, calendar, days.
The first passover-calendar day
Abib 14, is passover. And yet another passover-calendar
day, Abib 15, is passover; plus six more passover-calendar days not exactly of
the same rank are passover, because Abib 15 is the first of seven ordinary
passover-days when they ate unleavened loaves of bread. This Abib 15 and
the last of those seven ordinary days of the Days of Unleavened Bread Feast, Abib
21, were called sabbaths sabbaths of the passovers Feast of
Unleavened Bread sabbaths of the
passover which were NOT THE SABBATH.
Another passover-ordinary
exceptional day, was Abib 16, because, although it never by itself even as a
passover-day was a sabbath and therefore never was a great-day-sabbath, it
was the most extra-the-ordinary of ordinary passover-days because it was the
day of the bringing and waving before the LORD of the first sheaf offering after
the sabbath day (second day of passover) (Abib 15). At the same time Abib 16 was the first of the
fifty or seven times seven plus one ordinary days of ordinary passover-days to the
peculiar because final passover-day of Pentecost.
So, simply the passovers
sabbath was a sabbath in its own
right, and SDAs are simply ignorantly or wilfully denying the FACT JUST
LIKE ARE SUNDAYWORSHIPPERS.
Another fact referred to in
this discussions a few times already, was, that the calendar was determined by spring
equinox and the first new moon after, so that
the sabbath BY YEAR
AND MONTH AND SEASON, and,
the Sabbath BY WEEK OR
SEVEN OR REST,
but seldom coincided to cause a double sabbath to incur.
Even the fact of SDAs own
expression, double sabbath, implies
and presupposes sabbaths otherwise not coinciding, coinciding. So its a lot of nonsense Passover is ALWAYS called Passover and
Passover is NEVER called THE SABBATH because obviously THE SABBATH is and
can only be THE SABBATH.
SDA:
When the word THE is the definite article and hence exists in the
original Greek text, then we know that when it literally says, THE SABBATH it
is ALWAYS and can ONLY be the Lord's Seventh day Sabbath. So the evidence of
this being a double Sabbath and hence a HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in the book
of John as it states very clearly in John 19:14 that this is the Preparation of the Passover, which
we know it has to be as Jesus becomes our Passover Lamb.
GE:
Suppose youre right by having
proved When the word THE is the
definite article and hence exists in the original Greek text, then we know that
when it literally says, THE SABBATH it is ALWAYS and can ONLY be the Lord's
Seventh day Sabbath .... as it states very clearly in John 19:14 that this is
the Preparation of the Passover,
which we know it has to be as Jesus becomes our Passover Lamb, then
you or the evidence of this have not proved a HIGH Sabbath even.
Suppose youre right by having
proved When the word THE is the
definite article and hence exists in the original Greek text, then we know that
when it literally says, THE SABBATH it is ALWAYS and can ONLY be the Lord's
Seventh day Sabbath .... as it states very clearly in John 19:14 that this is
the Preparation of the Passover,
which we know it has to be as Jesus becomes our Passover Lamb, then
you or the evidence of this have still not proved THE SABBATH being a double Sabbath in John 19:14.
Two long paragraphs to evidence, NOTHING!
That was, assuming youre
right. Even when assuming youre right,
your proofs are proven no more than verbose assumptions taken for granted for
proofs. What if its not assumed youre right but its faced youre wrong ....?
SDA:
And John 19:31 says it was the preparation also for THE SABBATH.
GE:
1) Since The Preparation it was ....
in fact! And already evening it had become since it was (The) Preparation
WHICH IS The Fore-Sabbath .... HOW CAN IT BE DOUBTED?!
2) But it
was the preparation NOT also for THE SABBATH it was (The) Preparation which is, ONLY, for THE SABBATH : THE, Fore-Sabbath which is
Friday!
3) It
was the preparation ONLY, for THE SABBATH, NOT also for Passover .... ALWAYS called Passover. It was the preparation ONLY, for THE SABBATH, NOT
also,
this .... in John 19:14 .... that is the
Preparation of the Passover.
SDA:
The word THE is definitely the definite article and DOES exist in the
Greek text. It is THE SABBATH and therefore can ONLY be referring to the
Lords Seventh day Sabbath. So here is 100% conclusive proof that this is the
Preparation day for Passover and the Preparation for THE SABBATH and hence
beyond ALL doubt proves also that the Passover Sabbath and the Lords Seventh
day Sabbath did fall on the same day.
GE:
Beating a dead horse. THE is definitely the definite article and DOES exist. Who argued?
Not me! O I forgot; I did argue; I showed the incidences where it is the
weekly Sabbath when the word sabbath is used without the Article. But
the real problem does not lie with your insistence on the Article; it lies
with your smuggling in the copulative Conjunction, and, this is the
Preparation day for Passover _and_
the Preparation for THE SABBATH, just like you did when you wrote of
fourteenth Nisan being that, feast of passover. Such association between these two
preparation-days is NOWHERE even
hinted at in any Gospel. So here is 100% conclusive proof that this
is SDAs scholarly screw-up.
But who in the first place
said, .... HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in
the book of John as it states very clearly in John 19:14 that this is the Preparation of the Passover, which
we know it has to be as Jesus becomes our Passover Lamb. And John 19:31 says it
was the preparation also for THE SABBATH? Not me!
It is SDA who identifies Jn19:14 and Jn19:31 and declare both for having
been THE SABBATH: HIGH Sabbath is undeniable .... as it states
very clearly in John 19:14 that this is the Preparation of the Passover. So where now is SDAs own
argument, Sabbath was High
Sabbath and always was THE Sabbath?
HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in the book of John; Double Sabbath undeniably is NOT in the
book of John.
.... HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in the book of John as it states very
clearly in John 19:14 that this is the Preparation
of the Passover .... HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in the book of
John as it states very clearly in John 19:31
that this Preparation was ....
that great day sabbath / HIGH
Sabbath, as it states
very clearly in Mk15:42 that
this Preparation was the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath. Very clearly this HIGH Sabbath is undeniably NOT the Preparation
of the Passover .... in John 19:14.
HIGH Sabbath .... in John 19:14 .... is the Preparation of the Passover,? O no! In
John 19:14, THAT ordinary, usual,
calendar DAY was a great
DAY of the sabbaths
(importance) of the passovers
sabbaths importance.
No; Jesus by having been killed
on Abib 14 on THE first day they
always had to kill the passover (sacrifice) and The Preparation of the
Passover, we know that He became our Passover Lamb. Not by having been killed on Abib 15, because
He was not killed on Abib 15, because Abib 15 WAS NOT THE first day they
always had to kill the passover (sacrifice), but, while it ALWAYS was a
great day sabbath, Abib 15 in
that particular instance WAS The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath.
The two different Preparations
tell us He was crucified and buried on different and consecutive Preparations
which tells us regardless the fact having been mentioned, there were two consecutive
and not coinciding different sabbaths each with its consecutive and never
coinciding own Preparation-day.
.... HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in the book of John as it states very
clearly in John 19:14 that this is the Preparation
of the Passover, which we know it has to be as Jesus becomes our
Passover Lamb. And John 19:31 says it was the preparation also for THE
SABBATH..
By putting together that do not
belong together you are creating a lie. .... it states very clearly in John 19:14
that this is the Preparation of the
Passover .... And John 19:31 says it was the preparation also for THE
SABBATH. .... it was the
preparation .... What is it? Was the
Preparation of the Passover,
it, THE SABBATH? A blatant lie!
HIGH Sabbath ... is the Preparation
of the Passover is a lie.
Preparation of the Passover
.... was the preparation also for THE SABBATH is a lie.
HIGH Sabbath is .... THE SABBATH is a lie derived from lies and
therefore is the sum-total of your lying.
SDA:
This is why it is called a HIGH SABBATH and why ALL past theologians
and their Commentaries such as Albert Barnes, Adam Clarke, John Gill and Wesley
all state this is a double Sabbath, i.e., a weekly Sabbath and Passover
sabbath.
GE:
I said you saying HIGH Sabbath is ....THE SABBATH is a
lie derived from lies and therefore is the sum-total of your lying. But I was
wrong. Here is the sum-total of your lying, you making ALL past theologians and their Commentaries such as Albert Barnes, Adam
Clarke, John Gill and Wesley all stating and teaching it THE SABBATH is called a
HIGH SABBATH. None of them ever did what you are doing. They, all I dare say without having read any
of them myself, might have stated
or taught it, THE SABBATH, or, a HIGH
SABBATH, or, a great-day-sabbath COINCIDING, is called a double sabbath;
OR, they all might have stated or taught it a double sabbath
is THE SABBATH, or, a HIGH SABBATH, or, a
great-day-sabbath COINCIDING. But no,
you, are not making the COINCIDENCE a double
sabbath; you are telling us THE, HIGH
SABBATH in John 19:31, THE SABBATH irrespective and just
because The word THE is definitely the
definite article and DOES exist in the Greek text in John 19:31 was a case of double
sabbath.
Then you are not the least ashamed
even having dragged all these good
Christians into your gutter of bungling.
SDA:
Passover is A SABBATH and can NEVER be called THE SABBATH.
GE:
The stronger you insist the
weaker your argument gets. There is no logic or precedence in fact in your
shouting.
What about the actual wording On
the day after THE sabbath in Lv23:11,15,16?
And what about A
SABBATH in Ex16:25? Does it refer to THE Sabbath although called a sabbath? Of course does A SABBATH refer to THE SABBATH. So, as little as A SABBATH MUST BE Passover
or passovers sabbath, as little MUST THE
SABBATH, always, be called
THE SABBATH. What when THE SABBATH, for example, is called The
Seventh Day? Is it not THE SABBATH?
What about Lk23:54b and Mt28:1a
where The word THE ( which is definitely the definite article you
know .... in order to win a match you must score more points than your opponent
you know ) DOES NOT exist in the Greek text, yet in both the Greek texts, THE SABBATH is meant as well as mentioned?
SDA:
Passover is just one of many feasts and hence is A Feast. You would
never hear it called The Feast as that it implies it is one of a kind as is the Seventh Day Sabbath. This
evidence is 100% conclusive and cannot be debated and alone ends the Wednesday
crucifixion argument.
GE:
Maybe it ends the Wednesday crucifixion argument; but it does not end the
Thursday Crucifixion argument. And it evidences
nothing in the favour of the basic and presumed assumption of the SDAs and
Traditions of men that Jesus resurrection was a Sunday-resurrection.
Passover is just one of many feasts and hence is A Feast. O yah?
You would never hear it called The Feast as that it implies it is one of a kind as is the
Seventh Day Sabbath. O yah?
The Seventh Day Sabbath is just one of a kind? Fine.
You would never hear it (Passover)
called The Feast as that it implies it (Passover) is one of a kind ....
Rubbish.
Is it true, it (Passover)
never, is called, The Feast? What about the most express case in Nb28:17,
In the fifteenth of this month is THE Feast? You perhaps think the fifteenth day of the
First Month was not the passover? What
about: That thou eatest,
the passover; Feast of sacrifice of passover, Mk
14:12, Ex34:25 et al? In the fourteenth day of this month is THE
passover of the LORD (slaughtered); next (is THE passover) in the
fifteenth day of this month THE feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be
eaten ....
Passover or the sabbath, could be THE Feast, the
sabbath being called so in Lv23:11,15,16 and because among other things as
commanded here in Nb28:17f, Ye shall do no manner of servile work therein;
but ye shall offer sacrifice made by fire .... work, being both prohibited and commanded on the Feast.
Whether there are more to hear
or never, if I have heard Passover
or the sabbath or the Sabbath once, called The Feast, I have heard enough. Hearing you
would never hear it (Passover
or the sabbath) called The
Feast, one time, I have heard a damned lie. There are lies; then there are damned lies;
then there are statistics. Statistics is
what we have heard having heard, You
would never hear it called The Feast as that it implies it is one of a kind as is the Seventh Day Sabbath.
More non-lying statistics
though:
Ez45:21-23, 21 In the first
month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover (and) feast of
seven days unleavened bread shall be eaten. 22 And upon THAT DAY (not
normally feast or sabbath) shall the prince prepare for himself and for
all the People .... 23 and SEVEN days (not otherwise feast or sabbath) OF
THE FEAST he shall prepare a BURNT offering to the LORD ....
This certainly is one of the
most beautiful and most poignant of recordings of the passovers and passovers
sabbaths Feast : THE Feast, of passover, THE Feast of Abib
15: THAT DAY! Here
we find the Scripture which John in
actual fact was referring to and actually QUOTED in 19:31! Texts
like Ez45:21-23 and Jer30:7 speak concerning our Lord Jesus Christ and the last
Abib 15 that THEN was so earthly as a BURNT offering to the LORD! The Lord reigns, and rules, and before the
world was, determined and destined for each man his boundaries. The lines
unto me are fallen in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage. God is great, even though I go through
the valley of death. Read these Scriptures in whole and see the many textual
referrals from it made by several New Testament authors concerning the Christ.
I have set the LORD always
before Me: because He is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my
heart is glad and my glory rejoyceth: MY FLESH ALSO SHALL REST IN HOPE, FOR
THOU WILT NOT LEAVE MY SOUL IN HELL, NEITHER WILT THOU SUFFER THINE HOLY ONE TO
SEE CORRUPTION .... in death and grave, in fact! This Psalm is Prophetic Word concerning the
Lamb of God our Passover even in death among the dead and in the grave perfect
and perfected Christ, working our salvation (verse 11).
What have the Church DONE WITH
CHRISTS BURIAL AND DAY OF BURIAL!!?
With witches wand of translators pen, have they completely erased it
from the pages of memory and heart of men from the pages even of Holy Writ.
SDA:
While on the topic of the phrase THE SABBATH, lets cover another
misunderstanding of the proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory. They
further try and prove that the Passover sabbath and THE SABBATH were on
separate days using the following flawed argument.
They insist that the Sabbaths had to fall on different days
because of what Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56 says in regards to the issue of the
spices used to anoint the body of Jesus. Here are the two verses in contention.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of
James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint
him.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the
sabbath day according to the commandment.
The argument is that since Luke 23:56 says they prepared spices and ointments and
then rested the sabbath day according
to the commandment, that this was done before the Sabbath, which of course is true. And Mark 16:1 says
when the sabbath was past
they bought sweet spices and
so therefore this was done after
the Sabbath, which is also true. So their argument is that how could the women
have bought spices after the Sabbath, and also prepared spices and rested
before the same Sabbath unless there were two Sabbaths involved with a day
between them.
This firstly has one very serious problem. Passover is ALWAYS
called Passover and both of these verses actually say THE SABBATH with the
word THE being the definite article. In other words, the word THE is in the
original Greek text and so both verses are referencing THE SABBATH, that is,
what can ONLY be the Seventh day Sabbath. So this argument does not prove at
all that the Sabbaths fell on different days as BOTH of these verses are
referring to the same Seventh day Sabbath.
GE:
Because this is a repetition of
the above, Ill skip it and leave the argument except to remind everyone I also
reject these Wednesday-crucifixionists ideas, even for the reasons here advanced
by SDA against them, correctly. For in the last analysis the issue is not about
the spices or even about the day that Jesus was crucified on, but about the day
that He rose on.
SDA:
But based on their argument, this would now bring in a second serious
problem, which is that we would now have a contradiction of scripture or is
there another explanation, which also reveals what they overlooked in the first
place?
Luke 23:56 says they prepared spices and ointments, which means
they had some spices and ointments already, which they prepared. Mark 16:1 on
the other hand, says that they bought sweet spices. So as one would
expect, there is no contradiction of scripture. They prepared what spices they
had before the Sabbath and no doubt, there would not have been time to buy more
before the Sabbath commenced, so if they needed more spices, then they would
have had to wait until Sabbath was over before they could purchase however much
more spices were required. They prepared
what spices they had before Sabbath and bought
more spices when Sabbath ended so everything is harmonious.
GE:
What has been overlooked in
the first place?
Luke 23:56 says they prepared spices and ointments, which means
they had some spices and ointments already, which they prepared.
Hundred percent.
Mark 16:1 on the other hand, says that they bought sweet
spices. So as one would expect, there is no contradiction of scripture.
Hundred percent.
They prepared what spices they had before the Sabbath ....
Hundred percent.
But now things begin to look
different ....
They prepared what spices they had before the Sabbath and no doubt,
there would not have been time to buy more before the Sabbath commenced .....
.... not time to buy .... There was enough time before the Sabbath
would commence. It was by the time of the Jews preparations began
(Jn19:42). What time on Friday afternoons was and still is that? It was only mid-afternoon (Lk23:54)! From mid-afternoon until just before
sunset on Friday afternoons was three hours.
Three hours before the Sabbath commenced. Three hours and enough time to
also have gone buy more if they foresaw any shortage in what spices they had.
But they did not go buy; it is said they went home and prepared. So why prepare on Friday afternoon, then go
buy on Saturday night? Not because of
shortage, because short-stocked, the women would first thing have bought the spices
they needed before they would have begun preparing. They prepared spices because they
had spices and ointments and time enough of.
Yes, the same applies to the time they had available. They had time to go home straight. Then they
prepared because they had the time and the opportunity which the Jews preparations-time
afforded them. They had enough time to prepare; so they prepared. (As soon as the translators saw this
implication for their Sunday-resurrection hoax, they manipulated the text to
suit themselves in Jn19:42. See NAB and LB.)
Why did the women on Friday
afternoon prepare spices and ointments, but on Saturday night went and buy
spices and ointments .... again? They
did not go, or buy, again. This was a one-time thing. And why they went and bought spices after the
Sabbath had gone through, is obvious! So
obvious indeed most people think so simple a reason cannot be meaningful enough
to be the reason.
With the Sabbath having run
out (after sunset, on the First Day of the week after the Sabbath) the
same two Marys who the Friday afternoon already had had their spices prepared,
AND SALOME, bought more spices obviously
for Salomes sake who the Friday afternoon was absent. They rested the
Sabbath (Lk) and after the Sabbath bought (Mk). The three of them
together, bought spices so that when they would go, they might anoint Him.
The opportunity to go, would arrive
as soon as the watch of the Roman guard by midnight would have expired in
Roman reckoning of days the end of the day.
That is why Luke mentioned (24:1) that the women with the idea of course to
anoint him carrying their spices, arrived at the tomb deep morning
just after midnight. (orthrou batheohs / orthrinai genomenai, 24:1,22.)
SDA:
I typically find that the proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion
theory are forever clutching at straws to try and prove what it is they have
chosen to believe.
GE:
And I the Adventists .... But
the SDAs, they are exempt from criticism; they possess the gift of
prophecy!
SDA:
The following argument the proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion
theory also use illustrates this well. They say that the fact that two Sabbaths
are involved is confirmed by Matthew 28:1, where the women went to the tomb after the Sabbath and that the word
Sabbath used here is actually plural in the original Greek and should be
translated Sabbaths. This part is in fact true and there are some Bible
versions such as Youngs Literal Translation and others that make this clear.
But they use this plural argument to insinuate that the Sabbaths once again
fell on separate days. As ridiculous as this may seem, in their deception and
desperation, they actually prove the opposite and show that these Sabbaths DID
fall on the same day. Whatever it was that was done, was done In the end of the Sabbaths, meaning
it was done as both these Sabbaths ended. You cannot say this unless both
Sabbaths ended simultaneously.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath[s], as it began to dawn toward the first day
of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
GE:
They say that the fact that two
Sabbaths are involved is confirmed by Matthew 28:1, where the women went to the
tomb after the Sabbath? Who are they who say so? Its you SDA who says so .... nobody else. Where do you, SDA, read in Matthew where the women went to the tomb after the Sabbath?
This part is in fact true SDA says, Matthew 28:1, where the women went to the tomb after the Sabbath and that the word Sabbath used here is
actually plural in the original Greek and should be translated Sabbaths,
revealing all their ignorance and compromise with the adulterators of the Word
of God.
Then SDA seals his ignorance
and compromise by alleging, and there are
some Bible versions such as Youngs Literal Translation and others that make
this clear. Does Youngs Literal Translation render Matthew 28:1, where the women went to the
tomb after the Sabbath? Does Youngs
Literal Translation read the women
went to the tomb? I bet it does
not! Does Youngs Literal Translation read, after the Sabbath? Or
do I wrongly remember or reckon, that that is not what Youngs Literal Translation reads?
SDA maintains this plural argument .... actually prove(s) ....
that these Sabbaths DID fall on the same day.
SDA in other words AGREES
Matthew intended to state In the end of the sabbath[s]? intended to state In the end of the Sabbath? intended
to state, THE SABBATH? Will SDA now admit In THE SABBATH in
the first phrase of Mt28:1, in fact, In the end of the sabbaths? Not
in his life; not on your life!
No, this plural argument actually
prove(s) that these Sabbaths did NOT fall on the same day. THE EVENT, where the women went to the tomb
fell on after the Sabbath,
Mk16:1. And THE EVENTS, There
suddenly was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord descended ....
WHEN Jesus rose from the dead, THOSE events, fell In the Sabbaths-time.
Taken
this part is in fact true the plural in the
original Greek should be translated Sabbaths, can SDA explain how In the END of the sabbaths in
the first phrase of Mt28:1 was before, the FIRST of the sabbaths in the second phrase of Mt28:1? How AFTER the sabbathS came BEFORE the FIRST of the sabbaths?
See how
cleverly SDA evades a straight answer. Instead of facing the consequence, if the
plural in the original Greek should be translated
Sabbaths it
should be translated Sabbaths in
every instance, also in the second phrase in Mt28:1. He has another trump card up his sleeve, Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath[s], as it began to dawn
toward the first day of the week,
came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. What all of a sudden changed this part where in the second phrase in
Matthew 28 the Plural, sabbaths is
in fact NOT true?
What happened that in this part where in the second phrase
of Matthew 28:1 the Plural sabbaths incurs, it should not be towards the first of the sabbathS, but
must be toward the first day of the week?
And
can SDA explain how the Greek eis plus Accusative in the second phrase of
Mt28:1 toward the first day of the week got translated, on
on the first day of the
week and still this part is in fact true!?
Says
SDA, Whatever it was that was done, was done In the end of the Sabbaths, meaning
it was done as both these Sabbaths ended. Yes, and also meaning,
consecutively was done as both these Sabbaths the one after the other ended.
But
contrary SDAs arguments whatever was done in
fact was done on the Sabbath when in
fact, Jesus rose from the dead; because that that was done,
was not whatever; it was Jesus who rose from the
dead.
Jesus rose
from the dead, In the end of the (only contextual weekly) Sabbath
meant and so NAMED, here in Mt28:1 the first phrase ON the Sabbath being
(epousa/epi-ousehi/epi-phohs-k-ous-ehi) towards the First Day
(eis mian (hehmeran) of the week (sabbatohn) meant and so NAMED, here
in Mt28:1 the second phrase.
Jesus
ALSO rose In the end (and last) of the two, back to back, Sabbaths
implied as well as mentioned as is clear when all the Gospels are taken into
consideration. The first was the passovers sabbath in Jn19:31, and the
second or last sabbath was the Ten Commandments Sabbath in Mt28:1. The Ten Commandments Sabbath in
Mt28:1a is said to have been before / towards the First Day of the week.
SDA:
The proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory have become so
desperate lately to convince the world of known cult leader Herbert W.
Armstrongs erroneous belief that they have resorted to abusing a messianic
prophecy.
GE:
Who,
are desperate in their deception?
Lately? This is how they behaved
from the beginning. Nevertheless, what
does this help the Seventh-day Adventists in their desperation to convince the
world they and their known cult leader Ellen G. White never with their and her erroneous
visions and teachings resorted to abusing just about every messianic prophecy and Scriptures in
toto?
SDA:
I am not sure if this is just plain ignorance on their part or a
deliberate attempt at deception in hope that most do not understand the
prophecy and so will believe their deception and convert to their way of
thinking.
GE:
On whose behalf are you
pleading?
SDA:
In any case, this argument just causes them to lose all credibility.
GE:
Speaking for whose incredibility?
SDA:
Daniel 9:27 says in the midst
of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
and so the argument is that since the middle of this week refers to the
crucifixion of Jesus then it had to be a Wednesday crucifixion as Wednesday is
in the middle of the week.
GE:
The SDAs too have never paid
attention to the fact the middle of the week seeing everybody here so insists
on literal divisions and additions to the fact the middle of the week is not
3 p.m., but is 6 a.m. Wednesdays, and that that being the case, this
splitting hairs and needles and gnats while sight-impaired with beams and rafters
and haystacks and camels, its no wonder we busy ourselves with totally
irrelevant things while missing the prophecies and symbolisms and typology so
apparent in the Gospels stories of the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of
Jesus from the dead most obvious and pertinent without a doubt the passover in
its very eschatological fulfilment once for all in and through and by Jesus
Christ according to the Scriptures the immutable Word of God. Its a neglect of the whole Church.
SDA:
Regardless of all the current facts, the proponents of the Wednesday
crucifixion theory still say, But one
cannot get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Easter Sunday. This
is only one day and two nights, what about the other two days and one night?
Friday cant possibly be the day Jesus died.
GE:
Wednesday crucifixion theory or Friday crucifixion theory whichever, both cannot
get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Easter Sunday, or only one day and two nights or three days and three nights, or 72 hours
or whatever; both fail in every respect and from whichever perspective; both
are no more than a concoction of flaws.
SDA:
This is the result of trying to use literal, secular thinking
and applying it to the text ....
GE:
This is an overkill second
time. This is the result of NOT trying
to use literal or secular common sense thinking and statement of the
Scriptures and NOT applying it to the
text. No, the literal, the
sabbath, must be THE SABBATH because obviously THE SABBATH is and can
only be THE SABBATH. Passover
and the sabbath of the passover or great-day-sabbath of the
passover, must be THE SABBATH because Passover
is ALWAYS called Passover and Passover is NEVER called THE SABBATH because
obviously THE SABBATH is and can only be THE SABBATH. The holy is never the secular, and the secular
is never the holy. In the Bible, Passover is always
called Passover; the (secular)
third day (Lk24:21), must be THE
spiritual THIRD DAY (Lk24:7,46) so
that even the secular First Day of the week must be THE THIRD DAY.
SDA:
This is .... implying that there must be a full 72 hours between
the crucifixion and the resurrection.
GE:
Your argumentation even,
suffers from your fear of using literal,
secular thinking and applying it to the text. Who demands there must be a full 72 hours between the crucifixion and the
resurrection? Not the Wednesday-crucifixionists. You, SDA, is here implying. Because you, are not using
literal, secular thinking or apply it to the text, so can say such silly things
like to use literal, secular thinking implies
a full 72 hours between the crucifixion and the resurrection. I have not heard of one
Wednesday-crucifixionist yet, who claimed there
must be a full 72 hours between the crucifixion and the resurrection. It
is SDA who talks this nonsense. PLEASE use literal, secular thinking and apply it
to the text of the Scriptures as well as your opponents?
SDA:
But that (a full 72 hours) is not the intent of the passage. For proof
lets look at what the Gospels and other books have to say about the matter and
then we will look at inclusive reckoning, which most know nothing about and
explains all.
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that
he must go unto
Matthew 17:23 And they shall
kill him, and THE THIRD DAY he
shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:19 And shall
deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and THE
THIRD DAY he shall rise again.
Matthew 27:64 Command
therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until THE THIRD DAY, lest his disciples come by night, and
steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last
error shall be worse than the first.
Mark 9:31 For he taught his
disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of
men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise THE
THIRD DAY.
Mark 10:34 And they shall mock
him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and THE
THIRD DAY he shall rise again.
Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of
man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests
and scribes, and be slain, and be raised THE THIRD DAY.
Luke 13:32 And he said unto
them, Go you, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to
day and to morrow, and THE THIRD DAY I shall be perfected.
Luke 18:33 And they shall
scourge him, and put him to death: and THE THIRD DAY he shall rise again.
Luke 24:7 Saying, The Son of
man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and THE
THIRD DAY rise again.
Luke 24:21 But we trusted that
it had been he which should have redeemed
Luke 24:46 And said unto them,
Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the
dead THE THIRD DAY:
John 2:1 And THE THIRD
DAY there was a marriage in Cana of
Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up THE
THIRD DAY, and showed him openly;
1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he
was buried, and that he rose again THE THIRD DAY according to the scriptures:
All these scriptures prove Jesus was resurrected ON the third day day after His death
and burial, not after three literal days. If Jesus rose after 72 hours, then
all the above verses would have to read on the fourth day.
GE:
Absolutely! What a relief for
once to hear the Scriptures!
Unfortunately, I have to ask, how does a Scripture like John 2:1 And THE THIRD DAY there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee;
and the mother of Jesus was there, prove, Jesus was
resurrected ON the third day?
Far more serious,
How does Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had
been he which should have redeemed
these things having
been, how the chief priests and our rulers
1) delivered
Him to be
2) condemned
to death and have
3) crucified
Him
prove Jesus was resurrected ON the
third day day after His death
and burial? Is that what this Scripture, Luke 24:21, say, not even speaking of all
these scriptures? Who is saying
regarding this Scripture, Luke 24:21,
the
third day after His death and
burial?
FAR MORE SERIOUS STILL:
Who wrote, All these scriptures including Luke 24:21, prove Jesus was resurrected ON __the third day__ after His death and burial?
The author Luke, or the Seventh-day Adventist, SDA?
For having inserted the words,
and
burial, and the quotation marks, __the third day__,
SDA
has added his own words and concepts CONTRARY the concepts and words of the
Scriptures! Because Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had
been he which should have redeemed
Your IGNORING and DENYING that
great day of Jesus entombment explains this obfuscation of the truth,
even your denying the most apparent and natural meaning of words, here, the
word meaning since, to mean after.
But now Luke 24:20-21 reads, 21
But we trusted that it had been he
which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this [the things which are
come to pass there (in Jerusalem) in these days
(18b)], TODAY IS THE
THIRD DAY since THESE
things [delivered
Him to be condemned to
death and have crucified Him (20b)], were done: NO burial!
SDA also over and again commits
the error of making of anything, something else. Like he makes of the sabbath, THE SABBATH
and of passover, THE Passover....high day.
Of an incidental, secular,
day among other things which are come to pass there in
So he twists this ordinary third day after His (Jesus) death, into THE THIRD DAY according to the
scriptures after His death and burial .... and ADDS: and burial!
It is SDAs conceitedness to
make of something literal, something spiritual; to make of something general or
secular, something typical and
peculiar; of something mundane, something prophetic; something banal, something
holy. This is the result of SDAs improvement on literal, secular thinking resulting
in confusing literal, secular things
for totally irrelevant, of different
nature and of different meaning things, mangling and wangling the text until implying,
and until eventually actually stating,
1) that today the third day must be, THE THIRD DAY according to the
scriptures while that is not
the intent of the passage, plainly!
2) and forcing today the third day SINCE
.... to mean today the third day INCLUDING .....
SDA:
Can we be sure which day was the third day? You will note that the
following passage says that on Sunday the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (verse 1), the two angels said He would
rise THE THIRD DAY (verse 7) and
on the same day on the road to Emmaus the two disciples stated TODAY IS THE THIRD DAY (verse
21), and that Jesus said He would rise THE
THIRD DAY (verse 46). This passage shows that Sunday was the third day
that the angels and Jesus were speaking of in which He rose from the grave.
Luke 24:1-46 Now UPON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, very early in the morning, they
came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and
certain others with them.
two men stood by them
they said unto them, ... He
is not here, but is risen: remember how he spoke unto you
Saying, 7
The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be
crucified, and THE THIRD DAY rise again.
21 But we trusted that it had
been he which should have redeemed
GE:
Please
note this,
, the dots for the omitted words and
sentences and verses and sections. To SDA it means without the omitted words,
Lukes words, could not state more plainly, that Jesus did in fact rise from the grave on the first day of the
week. The first day of the week being Sunday.
It
means one could leap from verse 1 to verse 7 to verse 21 to verse 46 and back
to verse 21 to not lose, but gain, contextual relevance and relation and
meaning as though every time the words the third day incur, they meant
the same thing and every time further fastened upon that meaning Since this is THE THIRD DAY, it is THE
THIRD DAY, TODAY IS THE THIRD DAY since .... thus it
behoved Christ .... to rise from the dead THE THIRD DAY; and that he
rose again THE THIRD DAY according to the scriptures ...., TODAY IS THE THIRD DAY
= THE THIRD DAY according to the scriptures = TODAY .... Sunday .... IS THE THIRD DAY .... pellucid
logic, and order, my! Or magic and
clairvoyance? You tell.
The third day or the
third day since for SDA every time
is the same thing that never can be
a lesser or ordinary, secular,
counted, calendar-day; then again, it for SDA is no day than the secular but holy Sunday; then again,
nothing than the High Day of a double Sabbath-Seventh Day. Only no usual day like there ....
in
SDA, WHICH third day are you talking of with
reference to verse 21? You know
perfectly well which or what third day,
it is! And you perfectly know it is not the third day mentioned in
verses 7 or 46! You are overtly trying
to deceive!
The question is, can we be sure
about which day the third day in verse
21 is? Yes, it is quoting Luke ....
the third day .... there .... in
SDA: THE THIRD DAY according to the Scriptures .... is THE THIRD DAY since. SDA like with genetic manipulation hybridizes
THE THIRD DAY since the third
day .... there .... in
SDA stealthily is trying to
make of the third day according to the Scriptures, the First Day
of the week by lacing or stringing together the third day .... there
.... in
No! The disciples merely counted from, or after,
these things that were done. More accurately, they wondered or
surmised. They no more than speculated.
Like the women they were much perplexed. So they talked together of all these
things that happened. Jesus asked them, What manner of communications
are these that ye have one to another as ye walk and are sad? And they
answered, We trusted .... we were astonished.
For three days now are we
confused, and cannot make head or tail. Besides
all these things we know of: How the chief priests and our rulers delivered him
to be condemned to death which we have seen they did with our own eyes and
have crucified Him which we only heard they did, because we deserted Him
every one of us, as He had told us we would.
Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, who were
at the grave just after midnight; and when they found not his body, they came
and told us they had clearly seen angels who told them that He was alive ....
No! say all the Sunday-resurrectionists,
I must learn to read, the disciples did not speculate; they distinctly knew and
believed, and definitely with having said today is the third day since
these things that were done were referring to THE third day of
Jesus resurrection on the First
Day of the week. The disciples
reference point is actually the Resurrection; not the Crucifixion. I must be
confused!
But they degrade the third
day according to the Scriptures and falsifies both it and today ....
there .... in
They degrade the third day
according to the Scriptures and falsifies both it and the third day
.... there .... in
No!
These things which are come
to pass there In
The First Day of the week
was the second day since or after the day of the Burial, Friday. That we are ALL agreeing on! Hallelujah! Now because the interment of that which remains of the passover sacrifice
was done on the second day of the
passover, The First Day of the week could not have been the third
day of passover or day of First Sheaf, but, like Sunday is the second day
after Friday, Sunday had to be the second day after the second day of the
passover which was the day they removed and burned that which remained
which was Friday He was buried, the Gospels SAY it, and therefore Sunday was the
fourth day of the passover in that
year.
Christ .... was raised the
third day according to the Scriptures 1Cor15:3-4 the third day of the passover. Christ therefore was raised the day before Sunday the fourth day of the
passover in that year, on Saturday therefore.
Today (Sunday) is the third
day since these things happened .... the THINGS not the day, happened.
These things of passover-fulfilment in Christ, happened. These
things happened three days since/after, that is, BEFORE .... On which day of the week was that?
What were these things that happened? They were:
delivered; condemned; crucified.
Therefore:
Sunday the First Day of the
week the third day since/after;
Saturday Sabbath the
second day since/after;
Friday The Preparation; Feast;
BURIED the first day since/after;
Thursday The Preparation of the Passover THE DAY OF : delivered; condemned; crucified.... NOT
FRIDAY!
Therefore the day on which the
disciples walked to Emmaus, The First Day of the week, was the fourth day of passover; it could not
be the third day.
The Emmaus disciples did not
refer to the Burial; they referred to the Crucifixion and the day of the
Crucifixion and thats why they said It today (The first Day of the week) is
the third day since (or) after these things that occurred.
What, in fact then, is
written in Lk24:21? This: quoting
Lk24:18b and Lk24:21b: .... these days .... today .... Today is the third day
since these things were
done the third day is the secular, literal,
present, consecutive third, day, counted / applied / used in
and of the secular, literal lives and contemplations of the
Emmaus disciples. The third day
is THEIR today
present and counted, KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD by THEM the third day since;
theirs was no third day without its since.
This third day of the Emmaus disciples
speculation, was not the third day in prophecy or type or Antitype according
to the Scriptures which they did not know or understand or believed, a thing about. The third day in prophecy and type according
to the Scriptures which Christ was the Antitype of, only HE knew,
understood, reckoned with, and, kept! God
the Seventh Day from all his works, rested.
The eschatological third day is
not mentioned but is presupposed between Mk16:1 and the last verses of the
chapter before it. This day, the
Sabbath, passed, while no disciple noticed it or its
significance. Even in Mt28:1-4 no human
understood or saw what was happening when suddenly there was an earthquake;
only God knew and determined everything to the letter according to the
Scriptures. But SDA tells us the
disciples on their way to Emmaus explained THEIR
third day to Jesus, and still are explaining THEIR third day to us
as having been Gods, third day
according to the Scriptures on which it behoved the Christ to rise!
And God the Seventh Day from
ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED.
SDA:
Those who advocate the Wednesday crucifixion theory must adhere to a
Saturday afternoon resurrection since this is THE THIRD DAY and the following
verse in Mark that could not state more plainly that Jesus did in fact rise
from the grave on the first day of the week. The first day of the week being
Sunday. Mark 16:9 Now when
Jesus was RISEN early the FIRST day of the week, he appeared first to Mary
Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
GE:
With all these things (that
happened since He was delivered over to be crucified) it leads up now to nearly
the third day. SDA though speaking
of this not finished yet day of verse 21 alleges the disciples explained to
Jesus, that his resurrection was not a
Saturday afternoon resurrection since this Sunday is THE THIRD DAY. Thats what SDA
does not the disciples.
Jesus was the One who explained
to the Emmaus disciples what happened after He had been delivered
to be crucified, namely, that The Son of Man must be delivered into
the hands of sinful men , and be crucified, and the third day rise again .... Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day NOT, to rise today the third day
since these things happened, what SDA wants us to believe!
This Sunday, the
First Day of the week, was NOT THE
THIRD DAY on which Christ had to
rise from the dead .... according to the Scriptures. Today in verse 21 of Jesus
appearance and speaking to the Emmaus disciples or rather, of their speaking
to Him was the day after / since, THE THIRD DAY on which Christ had to rise : already. Is a more direct implication of Jesus
resurrection On the Sabbath before the First Day of the week (M28:1),
possible!? Especially since it is Jesus
who is speaking in answer to the disciples astonishment!
SDA:
.... and the following verse in Mark that could not state more plainly
that Jesus did in fact rise from the grave on the first day of the week. Mark
16:9 Now when Jesus was RISEN
early the FIRST day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out
of whom he had cast seven devils.
GE:
.... state .... plainly that Jesus --- did in fact rise --- from the
grave --- on the first day of the week .... BUT, SDA himself, presents this verse, Mark 16:9, plainly, like this: Now
when Jesus was RISEN early the FIRST day of the week, he appeared first .....
Now where is stated,
plainly, Jesus did in fact rise
or He did in fact rise or He did rise. Only that, first, please,
Where?! NOWHERE! There is no statement as it. The statement is: Now when
Jesus was risen stating HOW, Jesus appeared;
stating how JESUS, appeared: when / as / being risen.
The statement in Mk16:9 about
when, is the statement about when Jesus .... appeared;
NOT, about when He rose. There nowhere in Mark or in John or in Luke is any
statement as to when Jesus, rose. Only in Matthew in 28:1, by circumstantial
and eventual implications. So, if SDA
wanted, he could have done better, and should have presented this verse, plainly, like this: Mark
16:9, Risen (or) When
/ As / Being risen (or) When
/ As / Being the Risen (One), Jesus early on the First Day of the week appeared first to Mary .....
Mark could not in fact have stated
more plainly that Jesus did NOT rise
from the grave on the first day of the week, but appeared early on the First Day of the week, RISEN, to Mary .... first of
all. Mark could not have confirmed
more plainly what he before in verse 2
had said already, that Jesus did NOT
very early before sunrise rise from the grave on the first day of the
week because when the women on the first day of the week very early before
sunrise inspected the grave, they found confirmed it had been opened in an
unexplainable manner, and were told by the angel that Jesus they not
believing yet at that stage had been risen since before very early before sunrise. But the angel did not tell the women, WHEN
earlier, Jesus had risen. We had to find that out from Matthew 28:1.
SDA:
The typical response given to try and undermine this overwhelming proof
is that Matthew 28:1 says that the women first came to the tomb late on the
Sabbath (Saturday) near sunset.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of
the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
These contradictory words are clarified and made consistent with
the previous texts on Marks account.
GE:
These words, SDA says, is overwhelming
proof that Matthew 28:1 says .... late on the Sabbath ....; then SDA
quoting another Version of Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of
the week ...., comments, These
contradictory words .....
Isnt SDA contradicting
himself?
Or does SDA speak about some contradiction between
late on the Sabbath and as it began to dawn?
SDA thinks he solved the
alleged contradiction by having
answered himself, These contradictory
words are clarified and made consistent with the previous texts on Marks
account.
But try as I may or am I too
stupid I cannot see any contradiction anywhere. Late on the Sabbath in my opinion is just as good as In the
end of the sabbath, is just as good as as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week is just as good as all the non-existing statements
in the other three Gospels including Mark on this specific point in time of
part of day or day or week.
Of course, as it began to
dawn toward the first day of the week interpreted in modern English, is in
the morning; but the Version SDA quotes from is the KJV, which is sixteenth and
seventeenth century Puritan English and differs with modern Liberal English
with twelve hours at least, because as it began to dawn in that old
English is saying no more or less than mid-afternoon toward the
first day of the week in strict, literal idiomatic sense. [See study, A.T.
Robertson Mt28-1]
What about SDA referring to his
previous texts on Marks account
also hinted in his appraisal of himself in this
overwhelming proof? They many
paragraphs back were,
Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto
them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill
him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise THE THIRD DAY.
Mark 10:34 And they shall mock
him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and THE
THIRD DAY he shall rise again.
Do the texts explain the
phrases here dealt with by SDA? They say
nothing about it. SDAs comments
therefore ended up just his typical bombastic assertions anyone who could do
grade six parsing should see are ungrounded and false.
.... near sunset .... What is near
sunset? seven eighths through the
24 hours of the day fair enough? 7/8?
Thats almost a full! In terms of daytime, its 3 p.m. already! Near enough to be near sunset? Which is
precisely the meaning of all four the Greek expressions which Matthew used in
28:1 to pinpoint which specific point in time of part of day and day and week
he meant.
_FOUR_ phrases! Matthew DID mean to say what he meant!
1) opselate / almost full /
ripe / mature;
2) sabbatohnSabbaths, of
Sabbaths, on/in the Sabbath;
3) tehi
epifooskousehimid-afternoon / in bright day being;
4) eis mian sabbaton
towards the First Day of the week.
Wished Matthew to say On
the First Day of the week, why instead of all these painstaking
statements, could he not have written, like Mark did in 16:9, and Luke in 24:1,
and John in 20:1, with a simple and single-phrased Dative?
The problem always arises here,
and is very simple to explain, because everybody wants these Scriptures all
four, to refer to the event of the Resurrection, while only Matthews statement
refers to the Resurrection and time of the Resurrection on the Sabbath Day,
and the other three Gospels refer to 12 hours and more after the Resurrection on
the First Day of the week. If you
believe they all refer to the Resurrection, you will DO ANYTHING NO MATTER HOW
IMMORAL to get them all say, On the
First Day of the week.
From here, the problem spreads
to the days before the Resurrection to the days of the Crucifixion and the
Burial. Where a Sabbaths-Resurrection
implies a Thursday-Crucifixion, a Sunday-resurrection will imply a
Friday-crucifixion. And the ONLY way
to do it, is to integrate the two first days of passover into one day; to pull
the Crucifixion on onto the day of the Burial, because it is impossible not to
recognise from the Gospels that the BURIAL WAS ON FRIDAY! And next step of course is, to corrupt every
of the four statements (and many more implications) of Matthew in 28:1.
This is nothing new! Justin Martyr was this methods and theorys
first inventor. And this very debate
raged for centuries in the Church. Since the mergers of the three days-passover
emerged the victors, very few documents on the separate three days-passover
must have survived, and I have come across only one, of Apollinaris, a sainted
heretic if the Roman Catholic Church bothered to take notice of his conclusions
on this issue. [See study, Apollinaris.]
Back to Luke 23:54 ....
.... near sunset .... What is near
sunset? seven eighths through the
24 hours of the day fair enough? 7/8?
Thats almost a full! In terms of daytime, its 3 p.m.. Near enough to be near sunset?
Sunday resurrectionists corrupt the Sabbath drew near
in Lk23:54 to mean as the Sabbath was
beginning or has been beginning
(NAB); Phillips even plays on duplicity, It
was now the day of preparation and the Sabbath was beginning to dawn. Or like SDA who explains it here, Matthew
28:1 .... late .... near sunset .... as
it began to dawn. Do they mean dawn in the morning? No; it must
be, I think, they mean the Sabbath had begun after sunset. Then they acclaim, These contradictory words are clarified and made consistent .....
It was not as the Sabbath was
beginning or in the middle of the evening-hour-or-two as some
Wednesday-crucifixionists hold.
It was the (Sixth Day) Preparation
ending afternoon mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching on Friday, approaching
drawing near, literally, in middle of the light being inclined.
Where now are these contradictory words? Where they belong: with their inventors, the
creators; their creators ex nihilo by nothing. These words are not contradictory;
they are contradictory to your false claims.
SDA:
Mark 16:1-3 And when the sabbath was past, Mary
Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices,
that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the
first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3
And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door
of the sepulchre?
The end of the Sabbath and dawn are 12 hours apart. So why the
apparent contradiction? The answer is found in the translation of this passage.
The original Greek texts contain no chapters, verses or punctuation and were
added later by the translators for obvious reasons. By reorganizing that last
verse of Matthew 27 and the first verse of Matthew 28, the apparent ambiguity
completely disappears.
GE:
What silly reasoning! Anything is possible if you dont know what
youre talking about. You yourself
observed The end of the Sabbath and dawn
are 12 hours apart, but still you ask, So why the apparent contradiction?
What contradiction ? In what
manner is contradiction, apparent? In which Scripture is contradiction, apparent? In what translation
of this passage .... is the answer found of this passage? Theres NO contradiction in this
passage or passages.
Again you presume contradiction to gather straw to build
a straw-man to burn your bon-fire of the truth. Mark 16:1 is correctly translated: And when the sabbath was past,
Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet
spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark has written nothing of the Sabbath that
in the meantime since the Burial on Friday occurred. Thats why he begins
the history of the First Day with this introductory note that explains how the
women during this night might do what they resolved to do on Friday already,
but Salome knew nothing about and the Marys in any case had to wait for over
the Sabbath Day.
Mark
16:2 And very early in the morning the first day
of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Again no fault or weakness in the translation of this passage.
The evening before the women
bought spices and then had to WAIT UNTIL first opportunity to when they
came, they might anoint Him. Now, very early in the morning at the rising of
the sun, they came. Wheres
the contradiction? EVEN THOUGH THIS (verse 2) IS A SECOND VISIT
AT THE TOMB THERE STILL IS NO CONTRADICTION in this passage or in the
translation of this passage or between these two passages of Mk16:1 and 2,
or between Mk16:1 to 2 and Mt28:1. There
CANNOT be contradiction because
each of the three passages or verses, tell about its OWN event. As simple as
that. Each its OWN event and therefore each text has its own Subject, own
Predicate, own time, own place, own personae you name it its own. So how can they contradict one another?
There is only an apparent contradiction in your
thinking, SDA. In what manner is ambiguity to completely disappear where The
end of the Sabbath and dawn are 12 hours apart already; at least, 12 hours apart already? Have you succeeded to get the metaphorical
parallel lines to meet, or to get the sun retreat in its track? Every time-indication in the Gospels of the
Saturday night and Sunday morning is precise; each indicates its own
event. Scholars think that if they brought
together all the women and the Resurrection out of so many different directions
as there were women and angels approaching the grave at the same moment, they
have solved their self-created dilemma.
They will never get it right. Never, no matter HOW they manhandle and
mangle the text through quasi translation.
They are fools trying to.
Mark 16:1-3 and Matthew 28:1 do not deal with the same
things and there are many things involved in them; they simply have nothing
in common; least, as far as time-indications are concerned.
What obvious reasons are you talking of? One or some that completely obviously in the
first place never existed or appeared!
What bluff! Which apparent ambiguity do you see that completely disappears as a result of
these supposed obvious reasons? 12
hours apart stays 12 hours apart. Remove
the beam of a single time-period in these texts blurring the vision of both
your eyes, and see how apparent the different periods in time spoken of, really
are. They are different times; first of
all accept the fact; then try get the other factors fall in place. They will as
if by themselves.
The answer is NOT, found in the
translation of this or whichever
passage. There certainly are grossly incorrect so called translations. But the translations quoted in this discussion
here, were correct not to say they cannot be improved on. The answer to the
supposed problems or contradictions or ambiguities is, These passages are self-explanatory. Each answers and explains just what it says.
SDA:
The original Greek texts contain no chapters, verses or punctuation and
were added later by the translators for obvious reasons. By reorganizing that
last verse of Matthew 27 and the first verse of Matthew 28, the apparent
ambiguity completely disappears.
GE:
See study, Matthew 28:1
is an Undividable Unit. It is impossible to
just reorganize a Greek text or passage
with adding or taking away punctuation.
SDA:
Matthew 27:62-65 Now the next day [Sabbath], that followed the day of the
preparation, [Friday] the
chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 Saying, Sir,
we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I
will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure
until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and
say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be
worse than the first. 65 Pilate said unto them, You have a watch: go
your way, make it as sure as you can.
Note in verse 62, a request for a guard on the tomb was made on
the Sabbath (the day after the preparation) and that the request was for a
guard until the third day. The following is how the KJV translates these two
verses.
Matthew 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and
setting a watch.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the
sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary
Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
By simply moving the beginning of verse 28:1 to the end of 27:66
which is obviously where it should have been placed when punctuation and
chapters and verse were added, we would have the following.
Matthew 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and
setting a watch in the end of the sabbath.
Matthew 28:1 As it began to
dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary
to see the sepulchre.
GE:
What SDA has done changes
nothing except to corrupt both the text and the passage and its true meaning! By having
moved the beginning of verse 28:1 to the end of 27:66, SDA with clear
intention removed and leave out the time stipulated that the grave was sealed
and a watch set, morning of day after The Preparation Mt27:62, in
order to join Matthew 27:66 with
Matthew 28:1 so that they made the sepulchre sure, sealing the
stone, and setting a watch in the end of
the sabbath .... as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week....
It is important that SDA admits
the guard was stationed for the third day as such. That is why SDA
postponed the setting of the guard until in
the end of the sabbath .... as it began to dawn toward the first day
of the week.... meaning to say,
without mincing matter, on the First Day, after the Sabbath. Note
in verse 62, a request for a guard on the tomb was made on the Sabbath (the day
after the preparation) and that the request was for a guard until the third day
.... with which SDA again of course to call a spade a spade has meant to
say, for the First Day, after the Sabbath.
A guard was, given and the
grave was, sealed for the express purpose of having the grave sealed FOR THE
THIRD DAY the third day of Jesus prophetic declaration based on
the Scriptures and prophets prophetic word, the third day. It was exactly THIS URGENCY that the
morning after their Preparation prompted the Jews to bring their request
before the heathen Pilate without regard
for their holy Sabbath Day. It was
exactly due to the fact IT ALREADY WAS
the third day of Jesus declaration which the Jews themselves have
heard spoken from His mouth that they confronted Pilate for the umpteenth time
during that passover season of theirs.
Matthews narrative betrays the tone in which Pilate granted the Jews
their anxious wish; it is curt and impatient.
Pilate could not believe what the Jews were prepared to do for their
fear of this Man of Nazareth, a dead man already buried, but the Jews prepared
to desecrate their own Sabbath because of him!?
That it was the Sabbath, shows,
that Sabbath, was, the third day
everything turned upon the day He would rise from the dead again, as He
prophesied.
This whole episode is certain
proof NO JEW KNEW of Josephs
undertaking TWO NIGHTS AGO on the Sabbath morning Mt27:62 or that he had finished
to bury Jesus the afternoon before!
This is proof Jesus was not on the day He died, and immediately
after, quickly before the sun would set, buried. If the Jews wanted the grave secured, they
would have secured it on the day of the crucifixion, there and then, if Jesus
there and then, had been buried. But now
they only do it the Sabbaths morning.
The Jews never wanted Jesus
buried; they wanted him to suffer and rot in the dump-hole. So they would not have allowed Joseph to bury
Jesus under any circumstance if only they knew!
The Jews must have found out
after their Sabbath-nights sleep about these things done since, and
wasted no time to realise and to take precaution for the implications for them
if Jesus prophecy were to come true.
The disciples on their way
talked about these things which they had no idea about themselves, but
only after it had had happened, were informed of by the women. Not in their
wildest imagination could the disciples have thought these things possible.
When Jesus met them on their way, It
today, since these things were done, (was) the third day. These things excluded that which they knew of and had seen themselves were
done on Crucifixion-day These things excluded the things stipulated in verse 20.
It is for a matter of fact well
noted down by Matthew, in verse 62, a
request for a guard on the tomb was made on the Sabbath, on .... the day after the preparation ....
in the morning early. SDA
keeps silent it was in the morning early, so that he could change in the morning early,
into, in the end of the sabbath ....
as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week!
This is how the Seventh-day
Adventists always deal with Scripture. They
also have erred (as if) through wine; (as) through strong drink
have they gone off the road; the priest and the prophet have lost it
completely; they are intoxicated by heresy; they receive false vision and judgment
like drunkards. Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make to
understand doctrine? Them that are
weaned from (the) milk (of the Word of God), and abhor the fountain
(of godly knowledge). For they teach precept upon precept, precept upon
precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, there a little: for
with faltering speech and incomprehensible tongue will he speak to his people
.... that they might stagger forward and fall backward, and be broken, and
snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the Word of the LORD ye scornful men that
rule this people which is in
SDA:
The following is how the KJV translates these two verses. It was the
watch guarding the tomb that began at the end of the Sabbath.
GE:
Behold Is28:7...15 confirmed: .... the watch guarding the tomb that began
at the end of the Sabbath!
The watch that began at the end
of the Sabbath would have been the first watch of the Saturday night, which
for the Roman guard would have been the second last watch for the day, the
watch before the second watch of the night, which for a Roman guard would have
ended midnight, and would have ended the day. But the guard never watched the tomb until
then, because Matthew tells us that mid-afternoon, they were struck
down like dead men by the splendour of the angel of the Lord. The women though, could not know, and they would
have thought the guard still guarded the grave and only midnight would have allowed
them into the grave; because that was why they Came carrying their spices
and ointments deep early morning of night Lk24:1 after midnight and the
last watch of the day for a Roman guard had ended.
But YOU, SDA, WANTS TO TELL US
THE GUARD WAS ONLY SET ON SATURDAY NIGHT and not on the Sabbath early
morning daylight after The Preparation as it is written in Mt27:62-66!
It is the most straight-faced but wrangled lie I have ever encountered.
Let me help here, for truths
sake.
As it is written,
1) The guard was set on the Sabbath early morning
daylight after The Preparation,
Mt27:65-66, Have your watch! Leave now! Whatever you do, make fast!
2) Going fast, they secured the grave, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
3) B-U-T, in the end of
the Sabbath MID-AFTERNOON as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,
WENT Mary Magdalene and the other Mary TO (GO) see the sepulchre. Mt27:66~28:1.
4) It was THEN that there suddenly was a
great earthquake
and Christ arose from the dead
with no human near or knowing except
the guard struck down like dead men who in any case could know of
NOTHING that happened.
No changes in punctuation are
necessary; no changes in wording even; but for probably an improved rendering
of the meaning of each word and the whole passage.
SDA:
Now we find that Matthew and Mark agree completely as to when the women
came to the tomb, which was just before the rising of the sun at dawn, on the
first day of the week being Sunday.
GE:
Do they? They do not; they differ in every
detail! You see, this is whats wrong
with your Sunday-resurrectionists thinking
the Gospels thinking, is too literal, secular thinking to your liking.
1) You talk of when the women, came to the tomb as were they the same women who prepared spices and
ointments. They were not. Matthew mentions the
two Marys, but Mk16:1 mentions three. Mk16:2 mentions no specific women. The women
were not the same, and therefore it could not have been one or the same event
meant in any of these Scriptures.
2) You talk of when the women came to the
tomb in Mt28:1-4 you insist they arrived,
at, the tomb. They did not; they went / departed. Matthew
contradicts you, SDA; and so does Mark!
Matthew says they departed .....
3) Matthew says they departed .... TO go look at the tomb, WHEN
SUDDENLY THERE WAS A GREAT EARTHQUAKE .... and the women never got to the
tomb on that Sabbath Day! They did not get so far as either to have arrived at
the tomb or to have seen the tomb or anything going on at
or inside the tomb!
4) You talk of .... which was just before the rising
of the sun at dawn on the first day ....; Matthew says
it was / being
(-ousehi)
in / with / central /
height / mid-inclining-over (epi-) and
ripe / full / late
(opse),
day / light / noon
(fohs)
in / with (tehi ehi)
OF / ON / IN the SabbathS
(sabbatohn),
TOWARDS / BEFORE
(eis) (dawn by the setting sun)
AGAINST / BEFORE / TOWARDS
(mian Acc.) the First Day of the week ((hehmeran) sabbatohn).
SDA:
Since Jesus was to rise the third day, the Roman guards were put in
place immediately at the end of the Sabbath because they anticipated that the
body of Jesus would be stolen by the Jews sometime on Sunday, the third (and
next) day. Had they anticipated the theft on Saturday, then the guard would
have been in place by Friday evening the preparation day.
GE:
So you do tell us the guard was
set on Saturday night!
Nobody really anticipated the theft; the Jews
anticipated that Jesus words would come true still. They wanted to prevent them come true. Since
Jesus was to rise the third day as the Jews heard Him predict, they asked for
the Roman guard, which was put in place immediately early on the morning
after the (Jews) preparations the Friday-afternoon before now on
the Sabbath days morning (epaurion) because they anticipated Jesus
would rise from the dead BEFORE the end of the Sabbath .....
Despite, IN THE END of the Sabbath
MID-AFTERNOON as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week .... there
suddenly was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord descended from heaven
.... because BEFORE
the end of the Sabbath Jesus against all expectations, regardless all
precautionary measures, and exactly according to the Jews worst fears, ROSE
from the dead.
You, SDA, also talk as though
the Jews knew that Joseph had buried Jesus. Well, they did not know. The Jews
did not WANT Jesus buried. What they asked Pilate in the night after Jesus
crucifixion, tells you that. The Jews
did not even know that Joseph turned up after them; neither knew they what he had
asked of Pilate that night, nor that Pilate had given the body over to him.
Joseph that night acted secretly, because he knew the Jews would stop
at nothing to prevent him from doing what he intended to do.
The story tells he
the only one who saw how Jesus side was pierced told it to others
later on. John witnessed of this ones witness that it was trustworthy; so on
the witness of the one who saw and of Johns to his character, it was true that
that night, Jesus side was pierced instead of His bones broken. It never happened! And that it
happened to Jesus in the time-span of a few minutes or even under a few minutes
and at most an hour more keeping in mind the women also had to go home and must
have had their preparations done between after Joseph had closed the grave and
before sundown, simply is
unrealistic and overtly contrary ALL
the Scriptures.
Only Pilate and the guard knew of
Josephs undertaking to bury Jesus body; nobody else did! And Joseph somehow later that night must have had Nicodemus called to come help; and
probably on Friday the next morning only, could let the two Marys know to
attend the final funeral procession.
SDA:
Jesus was crucified on Friday and died at 3:00 P.M. He rose from the
dead somewhere between Saturday after sunset and sunrise on Sunday morning.
There is absolutely no way to push the crucifixion back to Wednesday and fit
scripture. A Wednesday crucifixion once again is clearly impossible.
GE:
Once again, a Wednesday crucifixion is clearly
impossible; but, once again, you havent raised a single word or valid
argument against a Thursday-Crucifixion-Friday-Burial-Sabbath-Resurrection.
And you havent said a word but
to corrupt the Scriptures to prove your and the Roman Catholics draconic Friday
crucifixion AND burial Sunday resurrection dogma. Every Scripture you both
touch, you corrupt!
1) crucified
on Friday versus on The Preparation of the Passover;
2) He
rose from the dead .... Saturday after
sunset versus On the Sabbath, Sabbaths fullness being
mid-afternoon in the daylight;
3) He
rose .... on Sunday versus towards / before the First Day of the week.
4) He rose .... sunrise on Sunday morning
versus He appeared to
Mary Magdalene early on Sunday morning.
5) And you both corrupt the fact and truth of
Jesus Sabbaths-Resurrection by keeping silent crucial texts that put Jesus BURIAL on the day IN BETWEEN the days of his crucifixion and resurrection, on that
Day the fifteenth day of the First Month and Sixth Day of the week The
Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath the Fore-Sabbath of the Sabbath according to the Fourth
Commandment.
So that there is no way to push
the crucifixion forward onto Friday, and the Burial back onto Crucifixion-day,
and the resurrection forward onto Sunday leaving Still Saturday a gaping hell,
and fit Scripture it by the pure
witness of the Gospels, being clearly impossible.
SDA:
Inclusive Reckoning
These following verses are appealed against the already overwhelming evidence
to make an attempt to propose a full 72 hours in the grave.
GE:
Building a straw-man to set on
fire o so valiantly. Infatuation will not avail with sober men. But what have you tied up inside and covered up with your straw-mans straw to make
bon-fire of? Lets see.
SDA:
These following verses are
appealed against the already overwhelming evidence to make an attempt to
propose a full 72 hours in the grave. They do seem to say a full three days but
if you believe the Bible cannot contradict itself, then these verses MUST be
harmonized with the rest of scripture on the subject.
GE:
No one mentioned 72 hours but those who argue 72 hours doesnt matter whether short of over. And no one mentioned in the grave, but they who argue 72 hours in the grave for or against.
To some 72 hours may seem to say a
full three days; but those must still come to the fore. So far, those who
argue 72 hours have been those who
either argue three days and three nights are not 72 hours long, or
more than one hour and one full day
plus perhaps three quarters of one night in all not more than 33 hours and
one or more minutes over not even halve
of 72 hours!
Or those who argue 72 hours, have been those who argue 72 hours make say four days, and some even say make five days. Except me, of course,
poor fool who cannot understand 72
hours or three full days must be 72 hours of three full days in
the grave.
Except me, of course, poor fool
who cannot understand three days are not 72 hours long; who also cannot
understand 72 hours in full days cannot be three full days of night and day
each.
Jesus argued three days;
He argued, the third day. But He ALSO argued, three days and three
nights as days and nights inclusive reckoning or by part representing the whole. The night
in full; and, the day, in full; AND the night and the day, one day in full; one
by one of the three days night and day each, according to the
Scriptures the passover-Scriptures, represented by one moment on each and
not by 24 hours of any.
The three days night
and day each, according to the Scriptures the passover-Scriptures,
each represented by one moment on it, the day of Crucifixion with the moment of
Jesus death; the day of Resurrection with the moment of his taking up his life
again .... and the day of Burial, with the moment that Joseph closed the door
of the grave. Significantly each moment, mid-afternoon the next day
anticipating, to the hour, the ninth hour, to the daytime, the
third DAY, to the full day, three days and three nights, to the
calendar day, the fourteenth / the fifteenth / the sixteenth
day, to the month, of the First Month, to the season, the
passover and harvests first sheaf, to the year, seventy
weeks (sabbaths-years) determined upon thy People. To the letter, to the type, to the prophecy, to
the prophet, to the dispensation, to the Covenant according to the
Scriptures TO IN THE SABBATHS
FULLNESS, God the Seventh Day from ALL HIS WORKS, RESTED!
Jesus even argued My hour
is come, the hour is come, but He NEVER argued, 72 hours AND, He NEVER argued separated,
loose, unrelated, non-inclusive day-HALVES or PARTS of ARBITRARY days or
nights not of prophetic typological appointment as passovers days are
appointed and commanded calendar-days of THE LORDS FEAST, PASSOVER
OF YAHWEH!
The third day is not
just any kind of third day like the third day since Jesus had been crucified;
the third day is the third day of the passover, and is typical
of Jesus prophesied resurrection
from the dead after three days of THE three days and three nights
of the sign of the PROPHET Jonas.
SDA:
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights
in the whales belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.
Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we
remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I
will rise again.
The only way we can harmonize these apparently contradictory
statements is to understand them in the light of inclusive reckoning of time.
This was the method used throughout the Bible in computing time.
GE:
Yours is the most horrible
associating of Scriptures and concepts imaginable. It is the third time if I
remember you allege apparently
contradictory statements but fail to show any.
.... these apparently contradictory statements ....? Which apparently contradictory statements?
The only way to understand these apparently perfectly harmonizing
statements is to understand them for Scriptures. Where literally meant; theyre literal;
where theyre figurative language, its figurative. And where once only it is idiomatic
(after three days for on the third day) it is idiomatic. What is it youre trying to explain to us
then? That where the Scriptures is
mechanical counting merely in Luke 24:21, it is
eschatologically predetermined and through and in Christ fulfilled Truth as in
Matthew
12:40?
SDA:
Jesus and His friends spoke and wrote in harmony with the common
literacy used those days, and that usage recognized inclusive reckoning of
time. In simple language, this means that any part of a day was counted as a
whole day. The Jewish Encyclopaedia states. A short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the
seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the
first day only a few minutes after the birth of the child, these being counted
as one day. Vol. 4, p. 475. Any small part of a day was reckoned as the
entire twenty-four hour period. Scores of contradictions would appear in both
Old and New Testament if this principle were ignored. We must compare Scripture
with Scripture and use the idiom of the language in which the Bible was
written. Inclusive reckoning was taken for granted by all the writers of the
Scriptures.
GE:
Inclusive reckoning is not a
dead strict rule. Scores of
contradictions would appear if this general guideline were taken too far. Inclusive reckoning was not always taken for
granted or without exception by any of the writers of the Scriptures. We must
compare Scripture with Scripture and use the idiom of the language in which the
Bible was written Thats the best
advice for anyone, provided the Scriptures are taken account of for their own meaning
within the full context of each.
SDA:
These examples are only a few of the many which could be cited to
establish this important point. The Hebrew usage requires only that some part
of each of the days should be involved in the time period.
GE:
Even so, SDA, you have made no
point yet except an impossible to keep up literary theory of Hebrew usage. Keep in mind we have to do with Greek in our
Scriptures; not with Hebrew usage. Greek uses words with precise meaning; if the
word means exclusive, its exclusive; if the word means inclusive, its
inclusive while in Hebrew the meaning may have been inclusive or exclusive
depending on usage, context and
many factors I have no clue of, but which somebody once told me about.
SDA:
Those who insist that Christ was in the grave a full seventy-two hours
contend that the three days and three nights must be taken in the fullest
literal sense. But such a contention is absolutely contrary to the testimony of
the Scriptures.
GE:
Not at all! Why should it be absolutely contrary to the testimony of the
Scriptures .... that the three days and three nights must be taken in the
fullest literal sense? You confuse
matters in order to confuse people. You cannot treat contention that Christ was in the grave a full
seventy-two hours on equal footing with insisting that the three days and three nights must be taken in the fullest
literal sense. The one is the
contention of men; the other is Scripture!
The three days and three nights, must be taken in the fullest
literal sense of the words and of the Scriptures concerning it; and that is,
that the three days and three nights must be taken in the fullest
literal sense of the three days and third day according to the
Scriptures of the passover, of Jonas and of all the Bible. Not in terms of
hours; but also not in terms of other or different days than the three
days and the third day according to the Scriptures the passover-Scriptures
about the fourteenth, fifteenth and sixteenth days of the First Month and the
passover.
No one here not me for sure
contend, in the grave a full seventy-two hours. See my tables: in the
grave, exactly mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing epefohsken
sabbaton on Friday, to, exactly mid-afternoon
the First Day nearing ON THE SABBATH (Saturday) sabbatohn tehi epifohskousehi eis mian (hehmeran)
sabbatohn exactly twelve hours only! Thats 12 hours between the precise two moments
which the Gospels state Lk23:54 grave
closed until Mt28:1 grave opened Contending about hours in the grave maliciously turns upon its 72 hours-proponents.
Twelve hours between the
precise two moments which the Gospels state, Lk23:54 grave closed until Mt28:1 grave opened, mid-afternoon-tehi
epifohskousehi.
It means one is contending that the three days and three nights must be
taken in the fullest literal sense
because, Lk23:54 grave closed
until Mt28:1 grave opened taken in
the fullest literal sense twelve hours in the grave, fulfils the God-given
and therefore eschatologically essential one-ness and wholeness** of the three-days-and-three-nights-according
to the Scriptures-three days.
[[** die gottgegebene und
darum eschatologisch-gόltige Ganzheit, Lohmeyer re 12 tribes of
SDA:
An example of the way the Bible uses the term is found in Esther 4:16.
We read these words of Queen Esther to Mordecai: Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast
ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my
maidens will fast likewise. Esther 4:16. Do not overlook the
fact that they were to fast three days and three nights. Yet almost the next
verse tells us, Now it came to pass
on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner
court. Esther 5:1. Here is a perfect example of how three days
and three nights terminate on the third day.
In the next example using the book of 1 Kings, the people are
told by the king to depart for three days but they return ON the third day and
not on the fourth. Why? Because the king did not mean to be gone for a full 72
hours. The counting of days was inclusive in nature. The same day that the king
told them to leave was the first day. The second day they stayed away, and then
they returned the third day, as the king had intended. This is the exactly the
same manner of counting used for the resurrection. It is inclusive in nature
with whatever portion of the first and last days being counted as full days.
1 Kings 12:5 And he said unto them, Depart yet FOR THREE DAYS, then come again to
me. And the people departed.
1 Kings 12:12 So Jeroboam and
all the people came to Rehoboam THE THIRD DAY, as the king had appointed,
saying, Come to me again THE THIRD DAY.
GE:
In not one case of these
examples of yours of the term
(sic.), SDA, do we find the-, or the equivalent of the, third day
according to the Scriptures with regard to the passover which we are
supposed to be arguing about. Although this is the same manner of counting one should use for the resurrection, and
although this entails inclusive
counting which means whatever portion of a day is included, the full day is included
and counted, the manner of counting
does not make of any days thus counted, the according to the Scripturesthree
days. It does not make of any one day
thus counted, the third day according to the Scriptures the
Scriptures concerning the passover. Whatever
portion of any of the three days according to the passover-Scriptures
being counted as full days, it HAS TO BE a portion of the days of the three
days, according to, the passover-Scriptures in any and
all parts. They MUST BE the or parts of
the fourteenth day of Abib or the fifteenth day of Abib or the sixteenth day of the month of Abib, or
the Scriptures regarding the passovers
three days, are being manhandled.
Esther 4:16, 5:1, 1Kings 12:5 and
1Kings 12:12 are just other examples of Scriptures like Luke 24:21 of instances of words only that indicate days simply,
that have NOTHING to do with the three days or the third day
according to the Scriptures the passover-Scriptures. As little right you had to confuse the
third day in Scriptures like Esther 4:16, 5:1, 1Kings 12:5 and 1Kings
12:12, as little right do you have to confuse Lk24:21 and the
third day in it with Scriptures like Lk24:7 and 46 and the third day
in them. Would you say the book of
Esther or of 1Kings speak of the third day in Lk24:7 and 46? Of course not! So how do you claim today the third day
since in Lk24:21 was the third day of verses 7 and 46? Does the same principle of interpretation not
forbid you? The simple principle or law
of interpretation, context and relation?
Now just like the first and the
last of the passovers three days are precisely and exclusively
indicated by this inclusive manner of counting, is the middle or second of the passovers three
days, precisely and exclusively according to the Scriptures
indicated by this very same inclusive
manner of counting. In fact, the middle or second of the passovers three days could not be
marked more markedly by a portion of it,
this portion, the BEGINNING-portion of it, namely: It
being evening already .... since it was The Preparation .... The
Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath .... The Preparation and because That Day
was a great-day-of-sabbaths-importance. It could not be marked more markedly by a portion of it, this portion, its ENDING-portion, namely: Now
that day, had been the (passover-)sabbath
(by) mid-afternoon. Or, Now that day had been the (Commandment-)Sabbath
mid-afternoon approaching. (Both perspectives are possible.) The time on that day whichever of the two
sabbaths it was, was, mid-afternoon. Therefore not only John in 19:31 speaks of
the passovers sabbath; Luke in 23:54 in its first as well as second
clauses also speaks of the passovers, sabbath! TWO Gospels in so many
WORDS mention the passovers sabbath, Jn19:31 at its commencement, Mk23:54 at
its conclusion beginning. And BOTH time the
passovers sabbath immediately BEFORE the weekly Sabbath. BOTH identify this passovers sabbath with
The Preparation identified, unmistakably, The Fore-Sabbath by
Mark, which could only have been our Friday.
It is found over more, and, as
well, that each of
the three days of the
three days and three nights,
is marked and represented by
the portion for the whole principle
by the exact same moment in day-time of each of
fourteenth, fifteenth and sixteenth
days of the First Month,
which was 3 p.m., the ninth
hour.
the ninth hour for
Crucifixion-day,
mid-afternoon for
Burial-day, and,
mid-afternoon for
Resurrection-day ....
for Thursday, for Friday, and,
for the Sabbaths day.
SDA:
In the following passage the third day clearly means the day after
tomorrow, not after 3 full
days.
Luke 13:31-33 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get
you out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill you. 32 And he said unto
them, Go you, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures
today and tomorrow, and THE THIRD DAY I shall be perfected. 33
Nevertheless I must walk to day, and tomorrow, and THE DAY FOLLOWING: for it
cannot be that a prophet perish out of
We have just seen how Jesus explained the third day. In Luke
13:32 above, He said today, and
tomorrow, and the third day.
GE:
In these passages again, the
third day clearly means THE third day according to the Scriptures
and not merely the third counted day after another day counted from, as in
Lk24:21. As with Esther 4:16, 5:1, 1Kings 12:5 and 1Kings 12:12 above.
SDA:
When Jesus walked with the two disciples on the road to Emmaus on
Sunday afternoon after the resurrection, Cleopas said, Today is the third day since these things were done.Luke
24:21. Everyone knows this was on Sunday but if Jesus had been crucified on
Wednesday afternoon, Cleopas would have had to say Today is the fifth day since these things were done. Later the
same day, the first day of the week, Jesus made stated, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day. Luke
24:46. So who was right? Jesus and Cleopas were both right. Those who claim
the Wednesday crucifixion are wrong. Christ died on Friday, the preparation for
the Sabbath which was the first day. He rested in the tomb on the Sabbath
according to the Commandment which was the second day. He arose on the first
day of the week which was Sunday and this was the third day.
GE:
But SDA goes straight ahead and headstrong as ever.
How do you, count, SDA, if Jesus had been crucified on Wednesday
afternoon, Cleopas would have had to say Today (on Sunday) is
the fifth day since these things were done? If Sunday were the fifth, Saturday would have
been the fourth, Friday the third, Thursday the second, Wednesday the first
day since these things and TUESDAY
would have been the day OF these
things done.
But like I said above, such
frivolous counting makes no argument; the only valid argument is one that
follows the typology or prophetic relation to and bearing on the ONLY days of
concern and relevancy, the three days on the passover-calendar of 14,
15 and 16 Abib.
The rule or standard of
inclusive reckoning, is wrong, when
applied in an isolated instance of exclusive,
literal secular, COUNTING, in this
case, of the disciples having counted three days since the day they crucified Him. The rule or standard of
inclusive reckoning is right, when
applied in relevant cases of inclusive
examples of Antitypical fulfilment.
Lk24:21 is not one of those cases!
And, the disciples did not count
from the day ON which Jesus was crucified, they counted away from-apo the day they had crucified Him upon.
The disciples wondered with what manner of
communication .... they talked together .... and reasoned about what has
happened since these
things which they knew already had happened, had happened on the day that
they crucified Him. They wondered about
what they did not know about, but only have received rumour of. The disciples did not know He had been
buried. The women astonished them when they told them they were at the
grave. The disciples did not know about
the grave even. Jesus had not yet
appeared to anyone; the angels the two of them of Lukes own narration of
the Sundays earliest-morning visit at the tomb had only told the women that
He had raised; and the women second hand told the disciples! The disciples
did not know about the angels, or their witness, before the women told them of
it.
These disciples wondered about things
that happened that they had not with their own eyes, seen or could have
imagined! Those UNKNOWN things they
wondered and surmised about, have been happening since the Crucifixion
and since the day of the Crucifixion which they went through
themselves.
Today is the third day
includes these things which since
happened the things they were wondering about.
Today is the third day
excludes what happened before whatever they since have been wondering
about.
Today is the third day
since and excluding those things they did not wonder about since they had
seen it with their own eyes happen.
Although now it was
long after Jesus first appearances to the women, the disciples still knew
nothing about it. They must have left from
Verses 1 to 12 give occasion to
verse 13.
Verse 13 relates forward to
verses 14 to 20.
Verses 13 to 20 give occasion
to verse 21.
Verse 21 relates forward to
verses 22-24.
Verses 22-24 relate BACK to
verses 1-12.
Verses 1 to 24 cover NO first
hand experienced fact about Jesus since his crucifixion and death actually
seen by the disciples.
These things that were done
relate to
BEFORE: How (they) delivered Him to be
condemned to death, and have crucified Him; and to
AFTER: Besides all this .... yea, certain women
which were early at the tomb astonished us .... a DIRECT reference to verse 9! These disciples after the women had told all these things of the empty tomb and the angels unto the
eleven and to all the rest, must immediately have LEFT for Emmaus. It was
the only time they have HEARD that Jesus had been buried; they knew no more or
about the grave or about what Joseph had done until then. No one of them had been present after they had
delivered Him, because it says He was delivered TO, BE, condemned
to death, and, that they have crucified Him, which agrees with
Jesus assurance to them, You shall all desert Me!
After the trial, except for
John, Peter was the last disciple who forsook Jesus. No one of the disciples
waited for the crucifixion. The other
disciples did not even know about Johns whereabouts, so soon did they all desert
from these things that were done.
John was the only and the last disciple who before 9 a.m. and the sudden darkness, returned home and
left Jesus on the cross behind. No one was
there until the end (as Ryle thinks).
No one of these disciples knew
of anything beyond Jesus having been delivered over at sunrise 6 a.m. on Abib
14 to be crucified Jn19:14. Thats what they said; the
disciples did not tell Jesus they had seen the crucifixion; they were gone
before it. Not they or another disciple knew that Joseph after everything and
after evening had come, turned up. No disciple not even any women
knew about Joseph or what he had done after it now had become evening,
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Jn19:31/38. NO ONE.
Therefore, Since these things which were done, EXCLUDES ANYTHING
AFTER the delivering-over of Jesus to be crucified. And therefore it is undeniable,
verses 1 to 12 give occasion to
verse 13 ....
verse 13 relates forward to
verses 14 to 20 ....
verses 13 to 20 give occasion
to verse 21 ....
verse 21 relates forward to
verses 22-24 ....
verses 22-24 relate BACK to
verses 1-12 ....
verses 1 to 24 cover no first
hand experienced FACT about Jesus since his crucifixion and death,
and these things were those things AFTER
verse 22 and AFTER the crucifixion
and ONLY pertained to and included the things that since happened until today the third day.
These things that since
were done are inclusive of the day AFTER Jesus had been crucified but
exclusive of the day He had been crucified on.
If the disciples counted since the Burial, today would have been the second day since the it. But they could not because they
recalled or tried to understand the things they have only heard of from the
women who astonished them with the news of the grave.
Here in Lk24:21 is no reference
to the Burial or to prophetic days which were foretold and had been fulfilled for
having been second or the third day according to the Scriptures
of the passover nothing! See
study, Third day since.
SDA:
The proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion use a devious argument to
explain away the words of Cleopas on the road to Emmaus. They contend that he
was not counting the three days from the time of Christs death, but rather
from the sealing of the tomb by the authorities the day after he was crucified.
One could possibly reach back to those events from which to reckon the third
day but by no stretch of the imagination could any point beyond the death of
Christ be used in computing the three days.
In every related text the third day is counted from the time of
His death on the cross. Matthew said He would be killed, and be raised again the third day. Matthew 16:21.
Mark wrote that He must be killed,
and after three days rise again. Mark 8:31. Lukes account
reports that He must be slain, and be
raised the third day. Luke 9:22.
Repeatedly the Scriptures emphasize the death of Jesus as the
starting point of the three days. To begin counting a full day after the
crucifixion is not only unbiblical but grossly imaginary. The sealing of the
tomb is never once referred to in connection with the period of time He was
dead.
In light of all the evidence, Matthew 12:40 and 27:63 do not
mean a full literal three days and nights or 72 hours, since Jesus clearly rose
ON the third day. By Jewish understanding referred to as inclusive reckoning, three days and three nights and after three days means the same as
ON the third day.
GE:
SDAs arguments are watertight,
until he gets to In light of all the
evidence, Matthew 12:40 and 27:63 do not mean a full literal three days and
nights or 72 hours, since Jesus clearly rose ON the third day. Again, SDA mixes error with truth, and so
obfuscates the real issue. Fact is, in light of all the evidence, Matthew
12:40 and 27:63 DO MEAN, the, full, and, literal, three days and three
nights of the God-given and therefore eschatologically anticipated three
days of the passover-Scriptures fulfilled in Christ through Christ to the
day, to the date, to the season, to the hour, and even, to the year and, to the
day of the week, the Sabbath! And 72
hours was the length of those three days, naturally, because they were those
three days and no other. But that was not the point, since even though Christ
rose on the very hour predetermined and appointed mid-afternoon in Sabbath
Days fullness, He clearly rose on the third DAY, according to the Scriptures in fulfilment of
the Scriptures.
SDA:
Passover Week Proves Resurrection
Now for the final proof positive that the resurrection of Jesus occurred on
Sunday. It was to this that Paul turned in his persuasive Corinthian discourse
on the resurrection. 1Corinthians 15:3-4 says, For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how
that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he
was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
It is very significant that Paul confirmed the death of Jesus,
and also His resurrection on the third day on the basis of the Scriptures. Paul
evidently understood that the Old Testament contained prophecies which set
forth the time sequence of the crucifixion and the resurrection. According to
Paul, Jesus had to rise on the third day in order to fulfil the word of God.
Jesus also declared in Luke 24:46, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to
suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Is there such a
scripture in the Old Testament which can establish the actual day that Christ
was raised from the dead? Yes! And it had to do with the annual observance of
the Passover service.
In Leviticus 23:5-6 we read about the first two days of
that solemn Passover week. In the
fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. 6 And
on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto
the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
We will not take time to establish the days of the week for
these special observances right now as it is not essential to the proof we are
seeking to establish. Just grasp these facts. The fourteenth day of the month
was the slaying of the Passover, and the fifteenth day was the feast of
unleavened bread.
The next question is what happened on the sixteenth day of the
month? Firstfruits was offered on that sixteenth day and this service was first
celebrated when the children of
What Sabbath is verse 11 talking about? The weekly Sabbath or
the yearly Passover sabbath? The answer appears as we read the actual
experience of their entrance into the land, recorded by Joshua. God told them
that after entering the Promised Land they should offer the firstfruits to Him
before eating of the first harvest themselves. Joshua described how the
Israelites passed over the
After crossing dryshod through the flooded
Now for the next event that took place four days later. Joshua
5:10, And the children of
In strict obedience to the Lord, the grateful and weary
wanderers stopped to slay the Passover lamb on the fourteenth day of the first
month. The next verse tells us what happened on the following day, Joshua
5:11 And they did eat of the old corn
of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched
corn in the selfsame day.
Notice that they observed the feast of unleavened bread on the
fifteenth day of the month, following the slaying of the Passover lamb on the
fourteenth. They also ate the last of the old corn, because the new crop of
grain was ready to harvest. The next day which was the sixteenth day of the
month, And the manna ceased on the
morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children
of
14 Nisan |
15 Nisan |
16 Nisan |
Passover |
Old Corn and |
Manna Ceased |
The sheaf of firstfruits was to be offered to the Lord before
they ate of the harvest of the land. Since they began to eat of the fruit of
the land on the sixteenth day, following the feast of unleavened bread, it is
certain that they offered the firstfruits also on that day. Please remember
that the Lord had commanded them to offer the firstfruits of the harvest on the morrow after the sabbath. Leviticus
23:11. It was indeed on the day following the yearly sabbath of unleavened
bread that the wave sheaf was offered, and the new harvest began to be eaten by
the people that selfsame day.
For even more
evidence that the commonly accepted chronology is correct, one must really
understand the principle of type and antitype. The sequence of days to be
observed for Passover was set down in scripture as the type. This sequence
was symbolic of what was to come when the crucifixion of the Lamb of God
actually took place, which is the antitype. So the type and antitype must
match precisely:
·
14 Nisan, Slaying of Passover
lamb. The Lords Passover is the type of the crucifixion day.
·
15 Nisan, 1st day of Unleavened
Bread, is the second day.
·
16 Nisan, Firstfruits, is a
type of the resurrection, and the third day.
By way of historical confirmation of these points, here is the
testimony of Josephus, a contemporary of Jesus and a historian: Nisan ... is the beginning of our year, on
the fourteenth day of the lunar month ... and which was called the Passover.
... The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the Passover, and falls on
the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days. ... But on the second
day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first
partake of the fruits of the earth. ... They also at his anticipation of the
firstfruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt offering unto God.
Book III, Chapter X, par. 5, pp. 79, 80.
Christ was Our Passover
How do all these facts relate to the time of Christs death and resurrection?
Here is where the beauty of the Bible reveals itself. Jesus was the One to whom
all those types and ceremonies pointed. He was the true Passover Lamb. That is
why John cried out, Behold the Lamb
of God! John 1:36. Paul showed how Jesus fulfilled the Passover,
For even Christ our passover is
sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven,
but
with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Corinthians
5:7-8
This is precisely why Jesus died on the fourteenth of Nisan. He
did it to fulfil the Scriptures. Paul declared that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures. 1
Corinthians 15:3. Jesus had to die on the exactly the same day that the
Passover lamb died in order to meet the prophetic type and to establish His
identity as the true Passover Lamb.
But just as surely as Jesus died on a certain day according to
the Scriptures, He also rose again
the third day according to the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:4.
He not only was our Passover, but He was also the firstfruits! Paul ties it
specifically to the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:20, But now is Christ risen from the dead, and
become the firstfruits of them that slept. Again in 1 Corinthians
15:23, But every man in his own
order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
No wonder Paul wrote so confidently about the resurrection on the third day
according to the Scriptures. Christ rose from the dead as the firstfruits of
those that slept. He was the antitype of the wave sheaf, and His resurrection
took place on the very day that the wave sheaf was to be presented before the
Lord.
Now we can understand why Jesus and His followers used the
expression the third day more
than any other to describe the resurrection. Prophecy had decreed hundreds of
years earlier that He would be the fulfilment of the types and shadows
surrounding the Passover observance. As the firstfruits, it was essential for
Christ to be harvested and presented before the Lord on the morrow after the sabbath. In
the year of the crucifixion the Passover sabbath coincided with the weekly
Sabbath, making it a high day.
John 19:31. It was the next day after that Sabbath that Jesus arose from the
grave on Sunday.
GE:
It breaks my heart to see such
a beautiful and true recapitulation of the passover of Yahweh so spoiled through
its conclusion. So blemished by untruth
in the end. So near, yet so far! In the
year of the crucifixion the Passover sabbath coincided with the weekly Sabbath,
making it a high day. John
19:31. It was the next day after that Sabbath that Jesus arose from the grave
on Sunday.
We have dealt with SDAs
assumptions, miscalculations and false associations.
1) The passover sabbath DID NOT coincide with
the weekly Sabbath. Friday was the passover-sabbath, Jn19:31/Mk15:42
(Ex12:37,39; 13:3-5; Lv23:6b et al)
2) Coinciding with the weekly Sabbath, does not
make the passovers sabbath, a high day. Being That-Day or
That-Great-Day-of-sabbaths(-status) ALWAYS Abib 15 Abib 15 ALWAYS
is That-Day or That-Great-Day-of-sabbaths(-status) whether
it coincided with the weekly Sabbath or not.
3) First Sheaf-day was NOT the day after the Sabbath Seventh Day
First Sheaf-day WAS Sabbaths Seventh Day in the year of the crucifixion, the two sabbaths having occurred
back to back in the year of the
crucifixion.
4) Jesus arose NOT from the grave on Sunday; He arose When in
Sabbaths fullness in being daylight tending towards the First Day of the week.
All things dealt with
already.
SDA:
When Mary saw Him in the garden after His resurrection, Jesus said, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am
not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God John
20:17. Why did Jesus ask Mary not to hold or delay Him (as the Greek text
implies)? Because Jesus had to ascend that same day to present Himself before
the Father as the firstfruits from the dead.
GE:
On this sorry apologetics, see
book 6/2, Save the Sabbath.
Very briefly, consider, not to hold or delay Him (as the Greek text
implies .... Wrong! The Greek text
implies, and almost exactly says, Dont stay by Me or delay, Mary! Forward! Go tell my disciples, quick! Jesus DID NOT tell Mary not to hold or delay
Him.
Pay attention to one of the
pillar-untruths of Seventh-day Adventism, Because Jesus had to ascend that same day to present Himself before the
Father as the firstfruits from the dead.
Nothing can be further from the truth, because Jesus in the grave,
rising from the dead, presented Himself before the Father The Firstfruits from the dead. This peculiar heresy of SDAism is meant to
minimize if not completely destroy all meaning of the Resurrection for
salvation; also to prove a created being an angel in the absence of the
Father raised Christ from the dead; which treason they in allegiance to their Investigative Judgment figment commit
against the Gospel of Christ.
SDA:
The biblical proof of those three successive days during Passover week
completely shatters the Wednesday crucifixion theory. Jesus had to die on
Friday to fulfil the Scriptures concerning His death as the Passover lamb. He
had to be resurrected on the third day after His death to meet the scriptural
type of the firstfruits. Only three days can be involved in the time sequence
or the Word of God is broken.
GE:
SDA has been arguing so long
for inclusive counting; but what
does he do here? He had to be
resurrected on the third day after His death to meet the scriptural type of the
firstfruits.
.... resurrected on the third day after His death .... would see
Christ rise from the dead on a fourth day.
Suppose He was resurrected on
Sunday, then
Sunday is the third day after
His death; and
Saturday is the second day
after His death; and
Friday is the first day after
His death; and
Thursday is the day of His
death.
And so did Luke have it in his
Book; and so do I have it in my book.
But SDA and Tradition and the Romanist Protestants disagree .... But
Jesus HAD TO BE BURIED on Friday
Abib 15 to fulfil the Scriptures
concerning His DEATH on THURSDAY
Abib 14 as the Passover lamb. He HAD TO BE RESURRECTED on the day AFTER
the day He was BURIED on and ON the third day according to the
Scriptures, the third day of the passover, Abib 16, to meet the scriptural type of the First
Sheaf Wave Offering and day, NOT the
third day after His death. Only THE three days according to
the Scriptures and the Prophets and the Law, can be involved in the time
sequences of the Word of God.
SDA:
The issues here are much deeper than most people realize. Had Christ
not fulfilled every single Old Testament type and shadow pointing forward to
His atoning death and resurrection, then how could He be the true Messiah. It
was absolutely essential that every prophecy of the Messiah should be fulfilled
in His life and death.
GE:
Yet the SDAs deny the
Seventh-day Sabbath any part in this type and shadow pointing forward to Christ
essentiality. They choose to keep the
Sabbath the Jews keep for dear life.
THURSDAY Crucifixion Type Matches Antitype |
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14 Abib Preparation of the Passover |
15 Abib That Day great-day-sabbath |
16 Abib |
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leaven REMOVED Passover
KILLED |
1st Day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread
FEAST |
FIRST
SHEAF WAVE |
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NIGHT |
DAY |
NIGHT |
DAY/ LIGHT |
EVE NING |
MOR NING |
MOR NING |
AFTER NOON |
Mk14:12/17
to 15:20a |
15:20b to 41 |
15:42 to 46a |
46b to 47 |
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Mt26:17/20
to 27:26 |
27:27 to 56 |
27:57 to 59 |
60 to 61 |
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27:62 to 66 |
28:1 to 4 |
Lk22:7/14
to 23:25 |
23:26 to 49 |
23:50 to 53a |
53b to 56a |
56b |
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Jn13:1/29-30
to 18:28 |
19:14 to 30 |
19:31/38 to 40 |
41 to 42 |
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Abib 17 First Day of the week 4th Day of the Festival of Unleavened
Bread |
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NIGHT |
Mk16:1 when the Sabbath had gone through Mary M & Mary & Salome bought spices that might anoint him when they go |
Jn20:1
Mary early darkness still seeth the stone
runneth cometh to Simon |
Jn20:3-10 Peter and other went ... in ... went
away again to home |
.... deepest early morning they and others came carrying spices Lk24:1 (Lk24:22) |
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Mk16:2 (Lk24:24) very early before sunrise.... Mary had had stood after.... Jn20:11 |
DAY |
Jn20:11-15 saw Jesus supposing gardener Mk16:9 very early on the First Day of the week |
Mt28:5 explained the angel to the women |
Lk24:13 journeying to Emmaus |
Today is the third day since THESE THINGS DELIVERED CONDEMNED CRUCIFIED (14 Nisan THURSDAY)
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Lk24:29 .... toward evening the day is far spent .... |
COMPARE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Friday Crucifixion Type Matches Antitype |
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14 Nisan |
15 Nisan |
16 Nisan |
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Lords
Passover |
1st Day
of the Festival of Unleavened Bread |
The Omer |
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NIGHT |
DAY |
NIGHT |
DAY |
NIGHT |
DAY |
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Mt |
Mk |
Lk |
Jn |
Mt |
Mk |
Lk |
Jn |
Mt |
Mk |
Lk |
Jn |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
N |
D |
26:20 |
14:17 |
22:14 |
13:1 |
27:62 |
16:1 |
23:56 |
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28:1 |
16:1 |
24:1 |
20:1 |
1st day
unleavened bread is eaten |
Passover
Lamb slain in evening (afternoon) |
A High double Sabbath day |
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The Third Day |
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Lords
Supper Christ arrested in |
Crucifixion |
Rested |
Rested |
Resurrection before sunrise Tomb discovered
empty just before sunrise |
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Friday
crucifixion SDA
Was
Jesus crucified on Wednesday or Friday?
The
argument for the Wednesday crucifixion theory primarily stems from Matthew
12:40 which states. For
as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whales belly; so shall the Son
of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The
proponents of this argument say that in order for Jesus to prove that He is the
Messiah that He must have met this condition or He could not be the Messiah. We
will be covering a prophecy that is greatly abused by the enemy because it is
not understood by the majority, which is that Daniel 9:24-27 proves beyond
doubt that Jesus was in fact the Messiah. This is the most powerful and perfect
Messianic prophecy in the Word of God proving that Jesus was the Christ. So
regardless as to how long Jesus was in the grave, we need not have any doubt
that Jesus is the One.
The
proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory say they have back tracked the Jewish calendar
and established that the Passover sabbath occurred on the Thursday of the week
of Christs crucifixion and that the Sabbath referred to is not the weekly
Sabbath but the Passover only. Before establishing if there is any truth in
this statement, observe the following table for an understanding of this entire
event.
Passover |
Feast of
Unleavened Bread |
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14th |
15th |
16th |
17th |
18th |
19th |
20th |
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Paschal Lamb
Slain |
1st Day
Feast of Unleaven Bread |
The Omer |
- |
- |
- |
- |
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Not a
Sabbath |
A Sabbath |
Not |
- |
- |
- |
- |
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Unleaven
Bread Eaten |
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All Leaven
Removed From the House (Exodus 12:19) |
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Crucifixion |
In the tomb |
Resurrection |
- |
- |
- |
- |
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1st Day |
2nd Day |
3rd Day |
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Note
that the beginning of Passover when the lamb was slain is not the Passover
sabbath but this day occurs on the 15th of Nisan the following day. Jesus
became our Passover lamb and died at the exact time the Passover lamb would
have been sacrificed. Matthew, Mark and Luke all record that Christ died at the
ninth hour (9 hours after the sun had risen, 3:00 p.m.)
Matthew 27:46 And about the NINTH HOUR Jesus cried with a loud
voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why
have you forsaken me?
This is
the same time that Josephus records the slaughter of the Passover lambs
commenced. Christ fulfilled the symbolism of the Passover lambs exactly by
giving his life just as the unblemished Passover lambs began to be slain on the
14th of Nisan.
Jesus
was placed in the sepulchre before sunset as they were in a hurry to bury Jesus
because the Sabbath would begin at sundown. Note that a preparation day is the
day before a Sabbath and so called because it is the day used to prepare for
the Sabbath which is going to occur on the following day.
Luke 23:53-54 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and
laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was
laid. 54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
The
Hebrew day begins and ends at sunset as the Bible makes plain and Jews practice
even today.
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he
called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Leviticus 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and you
shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto
even, shall you celebrate your sabbath.
So Jesus
died at 3pm and was buried on the preparation day (the day before the Sabbath)
before sunset, which would begin THE Sabbath day, but which Sabbath day, the
first day of Unleavened Bread or the Seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath or was it
both? It was in fact both which we will now set out to prove.
Luke 23:52-56, 24:1-3 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of
Jesus. 53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a
sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. 54
And that day was the preparation [Friday], and the sabbath drew on. 55
And the women also, which came with him from
The
women viewed the sepulchre and the body of Jesus on the preparation day (Friday
evening before sunset) and then rested according to the fourth Commandment, on THE Saturday Sabbath. When
the Saturday Sabbath had past, the women returned to the tomb at sunrise, and
that day was the first day of the week (Sunday). Luke 23:55-56 says, the women
beheld the sepulchre, and
how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments;
and RESTED THE SABBATH DAY ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT. After
viewing the body of Jesus they had only enough time to prepare spices and ointments and
then rested on THE Seventh
day Sabbath according
to the Commandment.
Luke
would never refer to Passover as THE Sabbath or according to the Commandment and so
can only be referring to one of the Ten Commandments of God being the fourth
Commandment, the Sabbath of the Lord. This being the case, the woman would on
the next available chance return to embalm the body of Jesus. Which day was
this? And
very early in the morning the first day of the week. The
first day of the week is Sunday which follows the Seventh day of the week which
is the Seventh day Sabbath.
If Jesus
was crucified on Wednesday and this was Passover (Nisan 14) then Thursday would
be the Passover Sabbath (Nisan 15) and 72 literal hours would take us to sunset
on THE
Sabbath, the Seventh day of the week. What would have been the first available
time for the woman to return with their spices and ointments and
embalm the body of Jesus? Their first available chance would have been EARLY
Friday morning, the preparation day before the Seventh day Sabbath, but as we
have seen this was not the case because we are told that their first chance was
on the first
day of the week [Sunday],
VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices
which they had prepared.
If Jesus
was crucified on Wednesday, there is absolutely no way the woman would have
procrastinated two days before opening the tomb on Sunday to embalm His body as
it would have stunk of decay as this would have been the fourth day in the
tomb. This is what Martha said of her own brother Lazarus.
John 11:39 Jesus said, Take you away the stone. Martha, the
sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh:
for he has been dead four days.
To make
the Wednesday theory fit, we would have to come up with all sorts of excuses as
to why they did not take opportunity on Friday to embalm the body of Jesus and
find ways of manipulating the Word of God to explain resting on THE Sabbath according to
the Commandment. It does not fit and becomes a stretch of the imagination to
try and force this theory into place that we will see soon is impossible.
A Double Sabbath
If Friday was the day of crucifixion then this day would have to be a
preparation day for not only Passover but also for the Seventh day Sabbath of
the Lord and would therefore be a double Sabbath. Can we prove this from the
Word of God for even further evidence? In the Bible, Passover is always called Passover and the
Seventh day Sabbath is always called
the Sabbath. John 19:31 below says THE Sabbath with the word THE being the definite
article, that is, not A sabbath but THE Sabbath. Hence this is and can only
be the weekly Sabbath. John 19:14 confirms it is a double sabbath. This day is
not only the preparation for THE Sabbath but also the preparation for THE
Passover and why it is called a high day.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the Passover, and
about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation,
that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that
sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken,
and that they might be taken away.
And so
the Gospel of John informs us this double preparation day was in fact before a
high day, that
is a double Sabbath. This is what The
Peoples New Testament (1891) by B. W. Johnson
quotes:
John 19:31 - That sabbath was a high
day. A
double Sabbath, both the weekly Sabbath and a passover Sabbath. It was usual Roman
custom to leave crucified bodies on the cross, but out of deference to their
wishes Pilate consents that the legs of the victims should be broken in order
to hasten death, so that the bodies might be taken down and buried. The legs
were crushed with a hammer like a sledge and the shock would bring speedy
death.
For
those who believe the Wednesday crucifixion theory, lets just clarify these
facts one more time so there can be no misunderstanding. Passover is ALWAYS
called Passover and Passover is NEVER called THE SABBATH because obviously
THE SABBATH is and can only be THE SABBATH. When the word THE is the
definite article and hence exists in the original Greek text, then we know that
when it literally says, THE SABBATH it is ALWAYS and can ONLY be the Lord's
Seventh day Sabbath. So the evidence of this being a double Sabbath and hence a
HIGH Sabbath is undeniable in the book of John as it states very clearly in
John 19:14 that this is the Preparation
of the Passover, which we know it has to be as Jesus becomes our Passover Lamb.
And John 19:31 says it was the preparation also for THE SABBATH. The word
THE is definitely the definite article and DOES exist in the Greek text. It
is THE SABBATH and therefore can ONLY be referring to the Lords Seventh day
Sabbath. So here is 100% conclusive proof that this is the Preparation day for
Passover and the Preparation for THE SABBATH and hence beyond ALL doubt
proves also that the Passover Sabbath and the Lords Seventh day Sabbath did
fall on the same day. This is why it is called a HIGH SABBATH and why ALL
past theologians and their Commentaries such as Albert Barnes, Adam Clarke,
John Gill and Wesley all state this is a double Sabbath, i.e., a weekly Sabbath
and Passover sabbath. Passover is A
SABBATH and can NEVER be called THE SABBATH. Passover is just one of many
feasts and hence is A Feast. You would never hear it called The Feast as
that it implies it is one of a kind as is the Seventh Day Sabbath. This
evidence is 100% conclusive and cannot be debated and alone ends the Wednesday
crucifixion argument.
While on
the topic of the phrase THE SABBATH, lets cover another misunderstanding of
the proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory. They further try and prove
that the Passover sabbath and THE SABBATH were on separate days using the
following flawed argument. They insist that the Sabbaths had to fall on
different days because of what Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56 says in regards to the
issue of the spices used to anoint the body of Jesus. Here are the two verses
in contention.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and
Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might
come and anoint him.
Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and
ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
The
argument is that since Luke 23:56 says they prepared spices and ointments and
then rested
the sabbath day according to the commandment, that this was done before the Sabbath, which of
course is true. And Mark 16:1 says when the sabbath was past they bought sweet spices and so
therefore this was done after the
Sabbath, which is also true. So their argument is that how could the women have
bought spices after the Sabbath, and also prepared spices and rested before the
same Sabbath unless there were two Sabbaths involved with a day between them.
This
firstly has one very serious problem. Passover is ALWAYS called Passover and
both of these verses actually say THE SABBATH with the word THE being the
definite article. In other words, the word THE is in the original Greek text
and so both verses are referencing THE SABBATH, that is, what can ONLY be the
Seventh day Sabbath. So this argument does not prove at all that the Sabbaths
fell on different days as BOTH of these verses are referring to the same
Seventh day Sabbath. But based on their argument, this would now bring in a
second serious problem, which is that we would now have a contradiction of
scripture or is there another explanation, which also reveals what they
overlooked in the first place?
Luke
23:56 says they prepared spices and ointments, which
means they had some spices and ointments already, which they prepared. Mark
16:1 on the other hand, says that they bought sweet spices. So as one would expect, there
is no contradiction of scripture. They prepared what spices they had before the
Sabbath and no doubt, there would not have been time to buy more before the
Sabbath commenced, so if they needed more spices, then they would have had to
wait until Sabbath was over before they could purchase however much more spices
were required. They prepared what
spices they had before Sabbath and bought more spices when Sabbath ended
so everything is harmonious.
I
typically find that the proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory are
forever clutching at straws to try and prove what it is they have chosen to
believe. The following argument they also use illustrates this well. They say
that the fact that two Sabbaths are involved is confirmed by Matthew 28:1,
where the women went to the tomb after the Sabbath and that the word
Sabbath used here is actually plural in the original Greek and should be
translated Sabbaths. This part is in fact true and there are some Bible
versions such as Youngs Literal Translation and others that make this clear.
But they use this plural argument to insinuate that the Sabbaths once again
fell on separate days. As ridiculous as this may seem, in their deception and
desperation, they actually prove the opposite and show that these Sabbaths DID
fall on the same day. Whatever it was that was done, was done In the end of the Sabbaths,
meaning it was done as both these Sabbaths ended. You cannot say this unless
both Sabbaths ended simultaneously.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath[s], as it began to dawn
toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see
the sepulchre.
The
proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory have become so desperate lately
to convince the world of known cult leader Herbert W. Armstrongs erroneous
belief that they have resorted to abusing a messianic prophecy. I am not sure
if this is just plain ignorance on their part or a deliberate attempt at
deception in hope that most do not understand the prophecy and so will believe
their deception and convert to their way of thinking. In any case, this
argument just causes them to lose all credibility.
Daniel
9:27 says in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
and so the argument is that since the middle of this week refers to the
crucifixion of Jesus then it had to be a Wednesday crucifixion as Wednesday is
in the middle of the week. The problem is that this is symbolic prophetic time
and so a day equals a year here. The start of this week was the baptism of
Jesus and the middle of the week is not 3.5 days but 3.5 years and of course
was the length of the ministry of Jesus. So this week is not 7 days but 7 years and
also where the supposed seven
year tribulation comes from. See also Secret Rapture. Below is the
prophecy in detail so the truth is perfectly clear and the deception seen.
In
Daniel 9:24-27 God gave a prophecy concerning the probation of
God gave
Daniels people seventy weeks to end their rebellion against Him but if they
failed,
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going
forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the
Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be
built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
That
well known starting date is 457 B.C., when Artaxerxes sent out the decree.
(Ezra 7:13) From that date the Jews would have exactly 490 years to end their
rebellion towards God. The 490 year probation ended in A.D. 34 and the Jews
ceased to be Gods chosen race. Daniel 9:25 says that the Messiah would be
anointed after the total of 69 (7 + 62) of those prophetic weeks had passed.
That would be 483 years from the decree date of 457 B.C. It takes no
mathematician to figure the end of that prediction. It brings us to the year
A.D. 27, being the exact year that Jesus was baptized by John and the Holy
Spirit anointed Him for His ministry. Since Messiah means Anointed One, this can
only be the fulfilment of Daniels prophecy that the Messiah would appear in
A.D. 27. Seventy weeks were allocated to the Jewish probation but Christ
appears as the Messiah after 69 weeks. So that leaves the seventieth and
final week for Christ to minister before the Jews probation ended. So what
happened in this final week?
Daniel 9:27 tells us, And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one
week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the
oblation to cease.
The midst of the week of
course is three and a half prophetic days, and so is actually 3.5 literal years from
His baptism to His crucifixion, and
according to the Bible, the ministry of Jesus lasted for exactly that, three
and a half years. In the spring of A.D. 31 Jesus was crucified and the veil of
the temple was rent (Matthew 27:51), signifying the end of sacrifices. By His
death He caused the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease. Another three and a half years would lead
up to the end of the seventy weeks and the end of the Jewish probation. During
that three and a half years the disciples laboured mainly for the Jews but in
A.D. 34 the seventy weeks ended; Stephen was stoned after his immense speech
before the council in Acts chapter 7 and the Gospel began to go to the Gentiles
(Acts 8:4). The Jews had rejected the gospel message and were no longer Gods
chosen people just as the book of Daniel describes. Now the Jews could only be
saved as individuals in the same way as the Gentiles.
The
seventy weeks or 490 years was the time God gave His chosen nation to end their
rebellion where He would then forgive them for their transgressions. Notice how
Jesus refers to this prophetic time period here in His conversation with Peter.
Seventy times seven is of course 490.
Matthew 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft
shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Till seven times? 22
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until
seventy times seven.
Regardless
of all the current facts, the proponents of the Wednesday crucifixion theory
still say, But
one cannot get three days and three nights from Good Friday to Easter Sunday.
This is only one day and two nights, what about the other two days and one
night? Friday cant possibly be the day Jesus died.
This is
the result of trying to use literal, secular thinking and applying it to the text,
implying that there must be a full 72 hours between the crucifixion and the
resurrection. But that is not the intent of the passage. For proof lets look
at what the Gospels and other books have to say about the matter and then we
will look at inclusive reckoning, which most know nothing about and explains
all.
Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his
disciples, how that he must go unto
Matthew 17:23 And they shall kill him, and THE
THIRD DAY he
shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles
to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and THE THIRD DAY he shall rise again.
Matthew 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre
be made sure until THE THIRD DAY,
lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people,
He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said
unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall
kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise THE
THIRD DAY.
Mark 10:34 And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and THE
THIRD DAY he
shall rise again.
Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer
many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and
be slain, and be raised THE THIRD DAY.
Luke 13:32 And he said unto them, Go you, and
tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow,
and THE THIRD DAY
I shall be perfected.
Luke 18:33 And they shall scourge him, and put
him to death: and THE THIRD DAY
he shall rise again.
Luke 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be
delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and THE
THIRD DAY rise
again.
Luke 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he
which should have redeemed
Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is
written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead THE
THIRD DAY:
John 2:1 And THE THIRD DAY there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee;
and the mother of Jesus was there:
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up THE
THIRD DAY, and
showed him openly;
1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he
rose again THE THIRD DAY
according to the scriptures:
All
these scriptures prove Jesus was resurrected ON the third day day after His death and
burial, not after three literal days. If Jesus rose after 72 hours, then all
the above verses would have to read on the fourth day.
Can we
be sure which day was the third day? You will note that the following passage
says that on Sunday the FIRST
DAY OF THE WEEK (verse 1), the two angels said He would rise THE THIRD DAY (verse
7), and on the same day on the road to Emmaus the two disciples stated TODAY IS THE THIRD DAY (verse
21), and that Jesus said He would rise THE THIRD DAY (verse 46). This passage shows
that Sunday was the third day that the angels and Jesus were speaking of in
which He rose from the grave.
Luke 24:1-46 Now UPON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, very early in
the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had
prepared, and certain others with them.
two men stood by them
they said
unto them, ... He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spoke unto you
Saying, 7 The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men,
and be crucified, and THE THIRD DAY rise again.
21 But we trusted that
it had been he which should have redeemed
Those
who advocate the Wednesday crucifixion theory must adhere to a Saturday
afternoon resurrection since this is THE THIRD DAY and the following verse in
Mark that could not state more plainly that Jesus did in fact rise from the
grave on the first day of the week. The first day of the week being Sunday.
Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was RISEN early the FIRST day of
the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast
seven devils.
The
typical response given to try and undermine this overwhelming proof is that
Matthew 28:1 says that the women first came to the tomb late on the Sabbath
(Saturday) near sunset.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn
toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see
the sepulchre.
These
contradictory words are clarified and made consistent with the previous texts
on Marks account.
Mark 16:1-3 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and
Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might
come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of
the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. 3 And
they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of
the sepulchre?
The end
of the Sabbath and dawn are 12 hours apart. So why the apparent contradiction?
The answer is found in the translation of this passage. The original Greek texts
contain no chapters, verses or punctuation and were added later by the
translators for obvious reasons. By reorganizing that last verse of Matthew 27
and the first verse of Matthew 28, the apparent ambiguity completely
disappears.
Matthew 27:62-65 Now the next day [Sabbath], that followed the day of the
preparation, [Friday]
the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 Saying,
Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three
days I will rise again. 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made
sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away,
and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be
worse than the first. 65 Pilate said unto them, You have a watch: go
your way, make it as sure as you can.
Note in
verse 62, a request for a guard on the tomb was made on the Sabbath (the day
after the preparation) and that the request was for a guard until the third
day. The following is how the KJV translates these two verses.
Matthew 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing
the stone, and setting a watch.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it
began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the
other Mary to see the sepulchre.
By
simply moving the beginning of verse 28:1 to the end of 27:66 which is
obviously where it should have been placed when punctuation and chapters and
verse were added, we would have the following.
Matthew 27:66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing
the stone, and setting a watch in the end of the sabbath.
Matthew 28:1 As it began to dawn toward the first
day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
It was
the watch guarding the tomb that began at the end of the Sabbath. Now we find
that Matthew and Mark agree completely as to when the women came to the tomb,
which was just before the rising of the sun at dawn, on the first day of the
week being Sunday.
Since
Jesus was to rise the third day, the Roman guards were put in place immediately
at the end of the Sabbath because they anticipated that the body of Jesus would
be stolen by the Jews sometime on Sunday, the third (and next) day. Had they
anticipated the theft on Saturday, then the guard would have been in place by
Friday evening the preparation day.
Jesus
was crucified on Friday and died at 3:00 P.M. He rose from the dead somewhere
between Saturday after sunset and sunrise on Sunday morning. There is
absolutely no way to push the crucifixion back to Wednesday and fit scripture.
A Wednesday crucifixion once again is clearly impossible.
Inclusive Reckoning
These following verses are appealed against the already overwhelming evidence
to make an attempt to propose a full 72 hours in the grave. They do seem to say
a full three days but if you believe the Bible cannot contradict itself, then
these verses MUST be harmonized with the rest of scripture on the subject.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
whales belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.
Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that
deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
The only
way we can harmonize these apparently contradictory statements is to understand
them in the light of inclusive reckoning of time. This was the method used
throughout the Bible in computing time. Jesus and His friends spoke and wrote
in harmony with the common literacy used those days, and that usage recognized
inclusive reckoning of time. In simple language, this means that any part of a
day was counted as a whole day. The Jewish Encyclopaedia states. A short time in the morning of the
seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the
eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes after the birth of
the child, these being counted as one day. Vol. 4, p. 475. Any small part
of a day was reckoned as the entire twenty-four hour period. Scores of
contradictions would appear in both Old and New Testament if this principle
were ignored. We must compare Scripture with Scripture and use the idiom of the
language in which the Bible was written. Inclusive reckoning was taken for
granted by all the writers of the Scriptures.
These
examples are only a few of the many which could be cited to establish this
important point. The Hebrew usage requires only that some part of each of the
days should be involved in the time period.
Those
who insist that Christ was in the grave a full seventy-two hours contend that
the three days and three nights must be taken in the fullest literal sense. But
such a contention is absolutely contrary to the testimony of the Scriptures. An
example of the way the Bible uses the term is found in Esther 4:16. We read
these words of Queen Esther to Mordecai: Go, gather together all the Jews that are present
in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or
day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise. Esther 4:16. Do not overlook the fact that they were to
fast three days and three nights. Yet almost the next verse tells us, Now it came to pass on the third day,
that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court. Esther 5:1. Here is a perfect example of how three
days and three nights terminate on the third day.
In the
next example using the book of 1 Kings, the people are told by the king to
depart for three days but they return ON the third day and not on the fourth.
Why? Because the king did not mean to be gone for a full 72 hours. The counting
of days was inclusive in nature. The same day that the king told them to leave
was the first day. The second day they stayed away, and then they returned the
third day, as the king had intended. This is the exactly the same manner of
counting used for the resurrection. It is inclusive in nature with whatever
portion of the first and last days being counted as full days.
1 Kings 12:5 And he said unto them, Depart yet FOR THREE DAYS,
then come again to me. And the people departed.
1 Kings 12:12 So Jeroboam and all the people came
to Rehoboam THE THIRD DAY, as the king had appointed, saying, Come to me again
THE THIRD DAY.
In the
following passage the third day clearly means the day after tomorrow, not after 3 full days.
Luke 13:31-33 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees,
saying unto him, Get you out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill you. 32
And he said unto them, Go you, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils,
and I do cures today and tomorrow, and THE THIRD DAY I shall be perfected. 33
Nevertheless I must walk to day, and tomorrow, and THE DAY FOLLOWING: for it
cannot be that a prophet perish out of
We have
just seen how Jesus explained the third day. In Luke 13:32 above, He said today, and tomorrow, and the third
day. When Jesus walked with the two disciples on the road to Emmaus
on Sunday afternoon after the resurrection, Cleopas said, Today is the third day since these
things were done. Luke 24:21.
Everyone knows this was on Sunday but if Jesus had been crucified on Wednesday
afternoon, Cleopas would have had to say Today is the fifth day since these things were
done. Later the same day, the first day of the week, Jesus made
stated, Thus
it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead
the third day. Luke 24:46. So who
was right? Jesus and Cleopas were both right. Those who claim the Wednesday
crucifixion are wrong. Christ died on Friday, the preparation for the Sabbath
which was the first day. He rested in the tomb on the Sabbath according to the
Commandment which was the second day. He arose on the first day of the week
which was Sunday and this was the third day.
The
proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion use a devious argument to explain away
the words of Cleopas on the road to Emmaus. They contend that he was not
counting the three days from the time of Christs death, but rather from the
sealing of the tomb by the authorities the day after he was crucified. One
could possibly reach back to those events from which to reckon the third day
but by no stretch of the imagination could any point beyond the death of Christ
be used in computing the three days.
In every
related text the third day is counted from the time of His death on the cross.
Matthew said He would be
killed, and be raised again the third day. Matthew 16:21. Mark wrote that He must be killed, and after three days rise
again. Mark 8:31. Lukes
account reports that He must be
slain, and be raised the third day. Luke 9:22.
Repeatedly
the Scriptures emphasize the death of Jesus as the starting point of the three
days. To begin counting a full day after the crucifixion is not only unbiblical
but grossly imaginary. The sealing of the tomb is never once referred to in
connection with the period of time He was dead.
In light
of all the evidence, Matthew 12:40 and 27:63 do not mean a full literal three
days and nights or 72 hours, since Jesus clearly rose ON the third day. By
Jewish understanding referred to as inclusive reckoning, three days and three nights and after three days means
the same as ON the third day.
Passover Week Proves Resurrection
Now for the final proof positive that the resurrection of Jesus occurred on
Sunday. It was to this that Paul turned in his persuasive Corinthian discourse
on the resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 says, For I delivered unto you first of all
that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the
scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
day according to the scriptures:
It is
very significant that Paul confirmed the death of Jesus, and also His
resurrection on the third day on the basis of the Scriptures. Paul evidently
understood that the Old Testament contained prophecies which set forth the time
sequence of the crucifixion and the resurrection. According to Paul, Jesus had
to rise on the third day in order to fulfil the word of God. Jesus also
declared in Luke 24:46, And said unto them, Thus it is
written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the
third day: Is there such a scripture in the Old Testament which can
establish the actual day that Christ was raised from the dead? Yes! And it had
to do with the annual observance of the Passover service.
In Leviticus 23:5-6 we read about the first two
days of that solemn Passover week. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is
the LORD'S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the
feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened
bread.
We will
not take time to establish the days of the week for these special observances
right now as it is not essential to the proof we are seeking to establish. Just
grasp these facts. The fourteenth day of the month was the slaying of the
Passover, and the fifteenth day was the feast of unleavened bread.
The next
question is what happened on the sixteenth day of the month? Firstfruits was
offered on that sixteenth day and this service was first celebrated when the
children of
What
Sabbath is verse 11 talking about? The weekly Sabbath or the yearly Passover
sabbath? The answer appears as we read the actual experience of their entrance
into the land, recorded by Joshua. God told them that after entering the
Promised Land they should offer the firstfruits to Him before eating of the
first harvest themselves. Joshua described how the Israelites passed over the
After
crossing dryshod through the flooded
Now for
the next event that took place four days later. Joshua 5:10, And the children of
In
strict obedience to the Lord, the grateful and weary wanderers stopped to slay
the Passover lamb on the fourteenth day of the first month. The next verse
tells us what happened on the following day, Joshua
5:11 And
they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover,
unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.
Notice
that they observed the feast of unleavened bread on the fifteenth day of the
month, following the slaying of the Passover lamb on the fourteenth. They also
ate the last of the old corn, because the new crop of grain was ready to
harvest. The next day which was the sixteenth day of the month, And the manna ceased on the morrow
after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of
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sheaf of firstfruits was to be offered to the Lord before they ate of the
harvest of the land. Since they began to eat of the fruit of the land on the
sixteenth day, following the feast of unleavened bread, it is certain that they
offered the firstfruits also on that day. Please remember that the Lord had
commanded them to offer the firstfruits of the harvest on the morrow after the sabbath. Leviticus 23:11. It was indeed on the day
following the yearly sabbath of unleavened bread that the wave sheaf was
offered, and the new harvest began to be eaten by the people that selfsame day.
For even
more
evidence that the commonly accepted chronology is correct, one must really
understand the principle of type and antitype. The sequence of days to be
observed for Passover was set down in scripture as the type. This sequence
was symbolic of what was to come when the crucifixion of the Lamb of God
actually took place, which is the antitype. So the type and antitype must
match precisely:
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14 Nisan, Slaying of Passover lamb. The Lords Passover is the
type of the crucifixion day.
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15 Nisan, 1st day of Unleavened Bread, is the second day.
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16 Nisan, Firstfruits, is a type of the resurrection, and the
third day.
By way
of historical confirmation of these points, here is the testimony of Josephus,
a contemporary of Jesus and a historian: Nisan ... is the beginning of our year, on the
fourteenth day of the lunar month ... and which was called the Passover. ...
The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the Passover, and falls on the
fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days. ... But on the second day
of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first
partake of the fruits of the earth. ... They also at his anticipation of the
firstfruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt offering unto God. Book
III, Chapter X, par. 5, pp. 79, 80.
Christ was Our Passover
How do all these facts relate to the time of Christs death and resurrection?
Here is where the beauty of the Bible reveals itself. Jesus was the One to whom
all those types and ceremonies pointed. He was the true Passover Lamb. That is
why John cried out, Behold
the Lamb of God! John 1:36. Paul
showed how Jesus fulfilled the Passover,
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven,
but with the unleavened
bread of sincerity and truth. 1
Corinthians 5:7-8
This is
precisely why Jesus died on the fourteenth of Nisan. He did it to fulfil the
Scriptures. Paul declared that Christ died for our sins, according to the
scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:3. Jesus
had to die on the exactly the same day that the Passover lamb died in order to
meet the prophetic type and to establish His identity as the true Passover
Lamb.
But just
as surely as Jesus died on a certain day according to the Scriptures, He also rose again the third day according to
the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:4. He not
only was our Passover, but He was also the firstfruits! Paul ties it
specifically to the resurrection. 1
Corinthians 15:20, But
now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that
slept. Again in 1 Corinthians 15:23, But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. No
wonder Paul wrote so confidently about the resurrection on the third day
according to the Scriptures. Christ rose from the dead as the firstfruits of
those that slept. He was the antitype of the wave sheaf, and His resurrection
took place on the very day that the wave sheaf was to be presented before the
Lord.
Now we
can understand why Jesus and His followers used the expression the third day more
than any other to describe the resurrection. Prophecy had decreed hundreds of
years earlier that He would be the fulfilment of the types and shadows
surrounding the Passover observance. As the firstfruits, it was essential for
Christ to be harvested and presented before
the Lord on
the morrow after the sabbath. In the year of the crucifixion the
Passover sabbath coincided with the weekly Sabbath, making it a high day. John
19:31. It was the next day after that Sabbath that Jesus arose from the grave
on Sunday.
When
Mary saw Him in the garden after His resurrection, Jesus said, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;
for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto
them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God John 20:17. Why did Jesus ask Mary not to hold or
delay Him (as the Greek text implies)? Because Jesus had to ascend that same
day to present Himself before the Father as the firstfruits from the dead.
The
biblical proof of those three successive days during Passover week completely
shatters the Wednesday crucifixion theory. Jesus had to die on Friday to fulfil
the Scriptures concerning His death as the Passover lamb. He had to be
resurrected on the third day after His death to meet the scriptural type of the
firstfruits. Only three days can be involved in the time sequence or the Word
of God is broken.
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The
issues here are much deeper than most people realize. Had Christ not fulfilled
every single Old Testament type and shadow pointing forward to His atoning
death and resurrection, then how could He be the true Messiah. It was
absolutely essential that every prophecy of the Messiah should be fulfilled in
His life and death. In a special sense, the prefiguring of His victory over the
grave was the capstone of hope for both Old and New Testament believers. Just
as the sheaf of firstfruit grain held the promise and assurance of abundant
harvest, even so our blessed Lords glorious resurrection is the guarantee of a
mighty harvest in the resurrection soon to take place. Because I live, ye shall live also. John 14:19.
In
the light of this tremendous, undeniable evidence of the Word of God, we can
positively affirm that Jesus was not, and could not have been, resurrected on
the Sabbath. Neither could He have been crucified on a Wednesday or Thursday as
this would have Firstfruits fall on the wrong day. With a Wednesday crucifixion
and literal 72 hours in the grave, the resurrection would occur on a Saturday
Sabbath, which should precisely match the day of Firstfruits (16 Nisan) but
does not. With a Wednesday crucifixion, Firstfruits (16 Nisan) will fall on
Friday, meaning that the resurrection should also be on Friday. It would seem
to be clear that under the Wednesday crucifixion theory, Firstfruits (16 Nisan)
can't be fitted in anywhere and remain harmonious with scripture. Therefore,
this completely excludes the possibility of a Wednesday crucifixion and 72 hour
theory that some would promote.
Some say they have
backtracked the calendar to find the day. Select Wednesday
crucifixion Page 2 if you want to see if it is possible to use lunar cycles
or calculate the day as some of the Wednesday crucifixion proponents claim.
Historical information is also provided that shows the year Jesus was
crucified. See also the problem of Hebrew to Gregorian calendar converters and
experiment with the one provided.
13 September 2009