Day Jesus was crucified (SDA)
“Some argue, not based on any command from God found in the Bible, that Jesus' resurrection on Sunday changed everything about the Sabbath. Do followers of Jesus have any reason to think that is true?
What day was Jesus crucified? (Read Mark 15:42-44. Friday.)
Read Matthew 27:50-52. Is there any reason why Jesus could not have immediately come to life, and in plain sight of everyone lifted off from the cross in extraordinary power and glory to be with His Father?
If you, as a parent, saw your child tortured and beaten, would you not want to come immediately to the rescue?
If you, as a parent, saw your child win the most important contest in the universe, would you want to wait a minute, much less a whole day, to put your arms around your child in praise and congratulations?
Why did Jesus wait? Against all natural instinct, why did He and the Father wait? (Jesus rested on Sabbath for the same reason He rested on Sabbath after He created the world. He was memorializing His original work of creation and now His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction.)”
“Some argue, not based on any command from God found in the Bible, that Jesus' resurrection on Sunday changed everything about the Sabbath. Do followers of Jesus have any reason to think that is true?”
“Some argue, not based on any command from God found in the Bible ....”
All right, it is true they are wrong
who “argue, not based on any command from
God found in the Bible ....”. Can
the pot blame the kettle? What have you
been doing how often ‘arguing’ for the Sabbath’s validity from Gn2:2-3 for all
men before Sinai and the Law’s giving to
But I do not ‘argue’ “that Jesus' resurrection on Sunday” is based on any command from God found in the Bible— no sir! You, are the one that “argue, not based on any command from God found in the Bible”, “Jesus’ resurrection on Sunday”! You, assume and you, argue “Jesus' resurrection on Sunday”— despite no command or statement of whatever nature or implication to the effect, is to be found in the whole of the Bible. Where have you ‘found’ – where have you read – any command or any statement “from God found in the Bible”, of “Jesus' resurrection on Sunday”? Baseless audacity! “Jesus' resurrection on Sunday” is a precluded, pretentious, deliberated trick to persuade against better knowledge and beguile the trusting of their reward in Christ.
Do followers of Jesus have any reason to think that, is true ....
that Jesus' resurrection — supposedly “on Sunday” — ‘changed everything about the Sabbath’ ?
God would never have made statement or have given command to the effect Jesus would or did rise from the dead on Sunday. It totally is a concept strange to, irreconcilable with and contrary every given ‘found in the Bible’ — right through the Scriptures — concerning God’s works of salvation through Jesus Christ : whether used by Sundayworshippers or by Sabbath-keepers.
The OPPOSITE is true, that every statement or command God has made or given promised or indicated or guaranteed concerning the Sabbath and / or Jesus’ resurrection ‘found in the Bible’ and throughout history, collated to and concluded in Jesus’ resurrection on the Sabbath Day and so therein and thereby confirmed and established once for all “the Seventh Day (Sabbath of the LORD God) in that God the Seventh Day from all his works, RESTED”. Hb4:4-5.
Nevertheless, Is it true .... that Jesus' resurrection — “according to the
Scriptures the third day” (1Cor15:3-4) “on the Sabbath Day”
(Mt28:1-4) — ‘changed everything about the
Sabbath’ ? Ah! It is!
THEN, “WHEN GOD” “by
the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according the
working of his mighty power which He wrought IN CHRIST WHEN HE RAISED / WHILE
RAISING Him from the dead and setting Him at his own Right hand in heavenly
glory”— then Jesus' resurrection changed everything about the Sabbath absolutely! Ah! “that ye may know” what the difference, what the change, what “the glory of the Father” “concerning His Son Jesus Christ
our Lord when declared the Son of God
with power according to the Spirit of Holiness BY HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE
DEAD” : “in Sabbath’s-time”!
What change, not from the Sabbath to Sunday, but from Old Testament
Sabbath to New Testament Sabbath; from
the Sabbath for
“What day was Jesus crucified? (Read Mark 15:42-44. Friday.)”
“Read Mark 15:42-44. Friday”.....?
First make sure you read a correct Translation, like the KJV.
Then ‘read’, “Friday”.....? ..... Friday ..... here I read where Friday began ..... verse 42 ..... Friday ..... don’t the Bible’s days begin with the evening of night? Well ..... let me make sure. ..... Mk15:42, “And now when the even was come ....” That is, after sunset, not so? Evening starts as soon as the sun has set. ..... So, Friday proceeded from here on ..... I see ..... up to verse ..... 47! Not “Mark 15:42-44”. It is Mark 15, verses 42 to 47 ..... “Friday”. That’s clear and easy enough!
Compare John 19:31/38 .....
It tells how Joseph first asked Pilate, and was given the body, verse 45. Then in verse 46 – well past verse 44 – Joseph bought fine linen, only then, wrapped the body. ..... So Joseph received permission, then bought linen, then wrapped the body. Did he take the body down first? I think it’s Lk23:53a that mentions that he did. Matthew in fact tells us Pilate ordered that the body should be ‘delivered’ to Joseph! That explains a lot! And then? Did Joseph leave the body on the ground while he went to buy the linen? Matthew here – verse 59 – says Joseph “had taken the body”; of course after it had been delivered to him somewhere. At the cross or away from the cross? It’s obvious, the body was ‘delivered’, away from the cross to somewhere else. What does John say? Let me check ..... John says, Joseph asked Pilate if he “might take away the body”. So that confirms what Matthew has said. Mark’s story does not follow an exact chronological sequence here. Joseph went to buy linen. Then – John states – he “came” (back, it must be) and he “took the body”. Joseph ‘handled the body’, that is, ‘treated’ it. John says at this stage, “There came also Nicodemus.... and he brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes” --- to help Joseph of course, to “prepare” the body for interment. This must have gone on all through the night! Then next morning – Friday morning – they must have let the two Marys know they were going to entomb Jesus. The two women turned up, and “followed after” in the procession to the grave later on during the day. Mark 15:47 and Mt27:54-56 imply that; Luke 23:55 tells us that; also John tells us that.
Where actually verse 46 of Mark 15 implies the end of the day’s activities (verse 47 is a ‘parenthesis’), Luke informs us, “That (virtually spent) day (now, Lk23:54a), was the Preparation (“that is the Fore-Sabbath”, Mk15:42), “mid-afternoon” (23:54b). John 19:42 confirms: “There (because the sepulchre was nigh at hand) laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jew’s (time for the Sabbath’s) preparations (has begun).” Luke mentions exactly Mark and John’s (corresponding) time of day, when “the women returned (home) and prepared spices and ointments” while it was the time of “the Jews’ preparations” for the Sabbath – 3 p.m. until 6 p.m.. Joseph at last closed the tomb, and the women present sat in front of the grave and looked into it and saw what Joseph did. That is how ‘Friday’, according to all four Gospels, in essence, ended. It reminds me of Luke, who mentioned that these things happened while it was “mid-afternoon towards the Sabbath”. So, according to Mk15:42/Mt27:57 and Jn19:31/38, the day ‘Friday’ had begun the previous “evening” already, and eventually ended, “mid-afternoon towards the Sabbath”, Lk23:54-56b.
But where during all these procedures and in the exact text-allocations you supplied and that fully agree with the beginning and ending of the Sixth Day in Bible-economy of days do you read once of the crucifixion?! “What day was Jesus crucified? (Read Mark 15:42-44. Friday.)” is what you wrote, not what is “found in the Bible”. So something serious is amiss.
Is this just a blunder? Or meant to misinform?
“Why did Jesus wait? Against all natural instinct, why did He and the Father wait? (Jesus rested on Sabbath for the same reason He rested on Sabbath after He created the world. He was memorializing His original work of creation and now His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction.)” ”
Incredible, wicked answer! “Why did Jesus wait? Against all natural instinct, why did He and the Father wait?”
The Father and Jesus supposedly immediately after He died ‘waited’ to raise Him from death so that He might “memorializ(e) His original work of creation”? “Now” : while dead and buried? Ludicrous! “.... and now His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction” but He not being resurrected from death yet? So that the Resurrection comes as useless, meaningless appendix to “Jesus’ completed work” of redemption! “Why did He and the Father wait? ....” This is the most blatant derision and nullifying of Jesus’ resurrection I have thus far encountered in SDA theology. Blasphemous denial of Christ’s resurrection! Over ten / twenty? million people this Sabbath and every Sabbath of their lives will be taught this sacrilege? May God forgive you because you do not know what you are doing!
I say, here Seventh Day Adventism underscores the inevitable, that God – the Father and the Son – in truth through Jesus “was memorializing His original work of creation and now His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction”, but NOT “now”, “with the scene” while “Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb”, but in and by Jesus’ resurrection FROM death and the dead and the grave— the truth of which and the credit of which truth should be the Sabbath’s due. But they for the lives of them shall not admit or accept because of Mrs E.G. White’s and their sophisms— such as that an angel in the Father's absence raised Jesus from the dead! No wonder his resurrection is "no more than a bare fact that has no meaning for the day on which He arose from the dead"! Just right that Jesus' death and buried state has meaning for the sanctity of the God's Sabbath Day and his resurrection, none whatsoever!
Since when can mortals attribute attributes to God? What entitles you to ascribe to God, “all natural instinct”? What ‘natural instinct’ would God have had to succumb to? Is God a finite being to have to wait against his own will? Was God confronted by unforeseen difficulties? Could He not overcome all obstacles?
Far more serious, do you imply – or say – God nor Jesus WILLED every minute of every day of Christ’s suffering? Was everything not planned and determined on Christ’s way to his death or resurrection?
1) The age of Jesus’ life in the form of a Man, God revealed “in the fullness of time”, “in these last days”;
2) the year of Christ’s death and resurrection was determined, according to prophecy and promise (70 weeks Dn9:24-29);
3) the month was commanded: “Observe the month of Abib!” Dt16:1;
4) Each date was set, to the last week of Christ’ life as a Human Being: Abib 10 to Abib 16, Ex12, Dt23;
5) the very days of his dying and death, and burial and resurrection were appointed days : appointed in the Council of the Almighty, commanded in the Law, made known and followed, “according to the Scriptures” 1Cor15:3-4;
6) the hours of Jesus’ dying and death (Ex12:6c), of his entombment (Ex12:39), and of his resurrection were made known since the exodus (Ex14:14-32, 15:16c-17a); yea, of his resurrection since the creation (Gn3:8a);
7) and from before the creation of the world God planned the Seventh Day of his creating, blessing and completion of all things and sanctification and perfection and rest (Gn2:2-3, Ex15:17b)— for the day of Christ’s resurrection by “the exceeding greatness of God’s power which He worked when He raised Christ from the dead”.
Each event, and each step, and every fulfilling of God’s Eternal Purpose the Father and the Son were the first to obey and fulfill.
But you allege, ‘Jesus and the Father waited against all natural instinct?’ No! according to God’s own divine nature, God created what we mortals can only call attributes of God in his faithfulness and truthfulness, ‘characteristics’ of God while He in deed of act showed and proved his grace and love for us, to us. Ja, we could say I think, that Jesus “was memorializing” God’s “original” plan of creation and salvation – that He made it fast – so that it ‘naturally’ according to the nature of God Almighty Himself, would allow for no ‘waiting’ in the least.
God is never idle; God never ‘waits’. God waits for no one; for Himself by own ‘nature’, most assuredly not. What God determined shall be done. Therefore, why did you come up with a remark such as this, “Why did Jesus wait? Against all natural instinct, why did He and the Father wait?”? Humanly speaking to ‘all natural instinct’, to be able to come up with an answer such as this: “Jesus rested on Sabbath for the same reason He rested on Sabbath after He created the world. He was memorializing His original work of creation and now His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction.”
Let me first ask, if so – and indeed it was so that Jesus in the end “was memorializing ..... His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction” – why did Jesus not (according to you) ‘memorialize’, his “latest”, “work to rescue His creation from destruction”? Why would Jesus against all natural instinct be in such a hurry to “now”, ‘memorialize’ his penultimate “work” – his being dead in the tomb – and not ‘His latest work to rescue His creation from destruction’, his resurrection from the dead?
Has this question been posed to find out truth, or to cover a lie?
Concerning, “Jesus rested on Sabbath for the same reason He rested on Sabbath after He created the world.” Consult attachment, please.
Rested in the tomb
“Now Jesus rested from the work of redemption; and though there was grief among those who loved Him upon earth, yet there was joy in heaven. Glorious to the eyes of heavenly beings was the promise of the future. A restored creation, a redeemed race that, having conquered sin could never fail— this, the result to flow from Jesus’ completed work, God and angels saw. With the scene the day upon which Jesus rested is forever linked. “For His work is perfect;” and “whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever.” Deut.
32:4; Eccl. 3:14. When there shall be a “restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21), the creation Sabbath, the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb, will still be a day of rest and rejoicing. Heaven and earth will unite in praise, as “from one Sabbath to another” (Isa. 66:23) the nations of the saved shall bow
in joyful worship to God and the Lamb.” p 80, §2.
Keep in mind three things: (1) Mrs White supposed the whole period of the Sabbath Day. (2) She intended the full hours of the Sabbath that “Jesus was at rest”, “in the tomb”. (3) Mrs White
‘links’ these two aspects in order to validate the Sabbath as Day of Christian Worship-Rest. :— “Now Jesus rested from the work of
redemption; ... — this, the result to flow from Jesus’ completed work, God and angels, saw. With the scene, the day upon which Jesus rested, is forever linked. ... the creation Sabbath, the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb, will still be a day of rest and rejoicing. .... When there shall be a “restitution of all things .. “from one Sabbath to another” the nations of the saved shall bow in joyful worship to God and the Lamb.” (I had to insert a comma or two for emphasis.)
“This” – Jesus’ “rest in the tomb”, according to Mrs White – is of such virtue and consequence that, without it, “redemption” could not have been; in fact, according to her, Jesus’ ‘rest in the
tomb’ completes (or completed) ‘redemption’ and ‘restoration’. Jesus’ ‘rest in the tomb’ meant much more than a doing of nothing. Jesus’ ‘rest in the tomb’ in itself, was of such tremendous value and power even angels would see and adore it. “The scene” had such “result” that “flowed” from it, “the day upon which Jesus rested”, i.e., “the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb” – the Sabbath Day –, “is forever linked”, with, “the creation Sabbath” and “the restitution of all things”.
What does Mrs White herself, do here? The same passage, emphasized from yet another angle – from the perspective of ‘finished / completed / perfected’ — “Now Jesus rested from the work of redemption; and though there was grief among those who loved Him upon earth, yet there was joy in heaven. Glorious to the eyes of heavenly beings was the promise of the future. A
restored creation, a redeemed race that, having conquered sin could never fail— this, the result to flow from Jesus’ completed work, God and angels saw. With the scene (of such ‘completed work’), the day upon which Jesus rested, is forever linked. “For His work is perfect;” ... the creation Sabbath, the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb, will still be a day of rest and rejoicing.” She allows herself the principle of association; of connection and relationship. A valid and applicable and indeed an
absolutely relevant and necessary principle! Mrs White without questioning –‘a priori’– decides on the principle of cause and effect; she brings into effect the principle of merit and ‘result’. And she does so with respect to Jesus’ ‘rest in the tomb’, for, the
sanctity and validity of the Sabbath Day for Christian Worship.
Is it not precisely the principle from which the Church departed when it based its argument for the validity of the Christian Day of Worship-Rest on the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Why may the
Church not have argued, ‘The result to flow’ from Jesus’ ‘completed work’ in resurrection, God and angels saw? Why not, ‘The day upon
which’ Jesus ‘conquered’ through resurrection, ‘is forever linked’, ‘with the scene’, of his ‘rest’, by feat of resurrection from the dead? Why not, could the Church have reckoned, “For his work is perfect” ... ‘the day on which’ Jesus went out of Joseph’s tomb, ‘will for ever be’ for the Church of Christ The Day of Rest and Rejoicing? – Why not? Why indeed, because what is it ‘to rest in the tomb’ against to ‘Rest’ in Victory of Resurrection and Completion of all the Works of God? Why not, if the Seventh Day Adventists may as above think of Jesus’ ‘rest in the tomb’, may the Church not think the same of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead as Jesus’ rest FROM the tomb and FROM the dead”? Why may the Church not with regard to the Resurrection, do just that which Mrs White and the Seventh Day Adventists with regard to their supposed ‘rest in the tomb’ of Jesus do, namely, to “link together” or associate it as motive, reason, and basis, with the Christian Day of Worship-Rest? Which honour and glory Christianity most regrettably gave to the First Day of the week and day of pagan idolatry, Sunday, instead of to the Day of God’s determination for these gifts of His from the merits of Christ, the Seventh Day of God’s Rest!
Karl Barth, when he weighed the authority by which the Church changed the Christian Day of Worship-Rest from the Sabbath to the First Day of the week, asked, “Was it not innovation when the primitive Church (so) decided?” He of course reckoned, No, it was no innovation, because the Church changed its Sabbath Day from the Sabbath to the First Day of the week on her conviction of the worthiness and merit of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead --- ‘on that day’ the First Day of the week (meaning Sunday! “What is it that gives this day its special meaning?” asked Barth; “That which happened on it an to it”, answered Barth.) There was – the Church might have thought –, ‘the result from Jesus’ completed work’ through resurrection from the grave; There was – the Church might have thought –, ‘the scene of the day’, which ‘forever would be linked with’ when ‘Jesus at last rested’ in resurrection from the dead! “For His work is perfected” – the Church might have thought –, .... the Redemption-Sabbath, the Day on which Jesus broke the bonds of Joseph’s grave. The Church might have thought “It is the Day the Lord has made”, ‘day of rest and rejoicing’. And that’s why Barth did not think it ‘innovation’. So the Church must have reasoned (but— mistakenly, reasoned concerning the wrong day, Sunday).
While Seventh Day Adventistism has always with regard to Sunday sanctity held the idea (or principle), the event makes the day, not the day the event, for authoritarian audacity, they have nevertheless taken opportunistic advantage of the principle — only for far less worthy and glorious a reason, having instead of His resurrection preferred Jesus’ humiliated state in death and grave for that ‘work of redemption’ and ‘restitution of all things’ – for ‘Jesus’ completed work’ – for in fact, his, and God’s ultimate “rest”. They have taken Jesus’ ‘rest in the tomb’, for their sanctification and remembrance of the Christian Day of Worship.
So we find fault to the left as well as to the right. To the left the Seventh Day Adventists have opted for Jesus’ ‘rest in the tomb’ – the wrong, invalid, event of ‘rest’ – a non-event, ‘in fact’ – for the ‘principle of association’ to finding and defining the Christian Day of Worship-Rest. To the right, the Christian Church General has opted for Jesus’ resurrection from, the tomb – the correct, in fact, no non-event, but the most valid and energetic event of act of God for basis and content of the Christian Day of Worship-Rest! But, unfortunately, the Church opportunistically and irregularly has hit upon the wrong, most invalid and least Scriptural day of Sunday for, and to, this end.
The General Church at least does not disregard and ignore the Resurrection – God’s ultimate Work of Rest in the Completion of all His Works –, where the Seventh Day Adventists deliberately gloss over and ignore it, as were the Resurrection “a bare fact of no importance for the day upon which it happened” (A most commonly used phrase by them! I also have in my possession a personal letter from the “Voice of Prophecy” School, for proof.), staring themselves blind against and favouring a ‘rest in the tomb’, which was not God’s Completing Act, or, the Working of his Rest, but a ‘rest’ of their imagination, for them, of determinative importance for the day upon which, according to them, it, Jesus’ ‘rest’ happened in that it happened “in the grave”! (This page, 80, chapter 7, paragraph 2).
Death and the grave are the wages for sin; and Jesus’ death in the grave was ‘the second death’ – ‘hell’. Death and grave are not God’s rest, but the devil’s punishment. If we as God’s children should keep the Sabbath properly for reason of Jesus’ final, all-completing death and grave payment for our sins, we should this coming Sabbath Day all commit suicide and see to it that we get buried. Please do not blame me for this ugly thought; I am blaming you, dear Seventhday Adventist brothers in Christ, for it. May God forgive me, nevertheless, but it had to be said, for we must take the right course where we at this moment are at the cross-roads of our eternal destiny, either of a destiny of rest in the tomb and death, or, of God’s rest of “the Seventh Day Sabbath Day of the LORD your God” in the glory of Jesus’ resurrection from the dead – even “by the glory of the Father”.
3 June 2009